Rafa deserves the chance to overachieve with Liverpool again

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Possibly a kneejerk here but the way I way I feel after watching our latest episode tonight is that I have finally lost my patience! We have played better than that this season and lost, that is how bad we were!

I'll no doubt wake in the morning and realise if Benitez does go that the best we can do at the moment is along the lines of a Megson or someone and I will then come to my senses. Scary times indeed.
 
According to SSN Rafa is being linked with the Juventus job...they had some italian guy yesterday saying much the same thing...wonder if Rafa goes, whose going to replace him??
 
Lol, that tax link is laughable, it says that foreign players were able to avoid almost all tax, then said Henry saved a mighty 70k........ a YEAR. Which would be, one weeks wages, or two weeks tax contributions, avoiding almost all tax, overhype it much.

Anyway, supposedly Arsenal salary includes all media rights payments while the majority of other clubs don't include these, which can be anything up to, what, 25% of their salary, which would mean most peoples listed wages are hugely inaccurate.

If thats true or not I have no clue at all, but as others said, look at who Liverpool have for example compared to Arsenal, we don't have many high wage earners and I don't think we have that big a wage difference, however, Arsenal do as I keep pointing out have a pretty large number of youth players on not at all huge, but decent wages that add up, probably half the reason for loaning so many players out than giving them a real try.


Anyway back to Liverpool, Gerrard came out today with another proclaimation of the team having turned the corner. We haven't lost in 5 games.... of course 5 games ago they beat Wolves 2-0, and couldn't beat them last night which doesn't seem like an improvement to me.

At the back of my mind the question does pop up now and then, at this stage is Rafa just happy to do stupid things in the hope of getting fired and getting a huge payout, sooner rather than later so he can take another job?

Trouble is the clubs not really in the place to do a "new manager rebuild", unless they fund it by selling Gerrard and Torres, and after this season I can't see Gerrard being that highly wanted for silly money like in previous seasons. If you got 70odd mill for both though, a new manager would have a decent wedge to buy 5-6 10mil players and wages for them.
 
Gerrard is in the last stage of his career and has absolutely no re-sell value and is always injured. If they get £20m/£25m for him then they've done well (unless Chelsk/City/Real come in for him, then it'll be £50m'ish)
 
I'm not sure anyone would pay 70m for Torres. He's a great player, but unless he can show he can play week in, week out then he isn't worth that.
 
£40m or £50m would be a more realistic figure, lets face it, there aren't going to be that many £70m transfers anymore, Real literally went all out last summer, can't see them doing that again for a while
 
Shamikebab said:
I'm not sure anyone would pay 70m for Torres. He's a great player, but unless he can show he can play week in, week out then he isn't worth that.
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Are you serious? 50 goals in 72 games suggests he might be able to do a job for a side.

jakeke, allow me to introduce you to Man City. Realistic figures don't really come into it, clubs will pay what they have to - Ronaldo was a perfect example of that mentality.
 
I've no doubt how good he is, he's my favourite striker on the planet. However, he's not the same value to a club as Ronaldo is, Ronaldo can score more than Torres from midfield and has a general more effective all round game (even though I prefer Torres as a player) and is worth more. Torres can't be equal to Ronaldo
 
Sham was making the point, why spend XX on a player who isn't going to be able to play every game for you?
 
Slogan said:
Are you serious? 50 goals in 72 games suggests he might be able to do a job for a side.

jakeke, allow me to introduce you to Man City. Realistic figures don't really come into it, clubs will pay what they have to - Ronaldo was a perfect example of that mentality.
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THe problem is, if thats only 30 goals in a single season, or 15 goals because he only plays half the games, well, that could be the difference between winning titles, and barely making Europe. Ronaldo's worst injuries, what had him out for a month and he still scored what 30+ goals in all comps.

ALso you need to realise something, Ronaldo cost 80 million because you were prising away an asset that WAS the difference in both seasons between winning titles and not, Torres ISN'T worth the extra at the moment as he isn't the difference right now between Liverpool winning the CL and bagging an extra 40million in winnings and getting to that late stage, and not winning. Prising away Ronaldo from Utd who won three titles on the bounce cost 80million, Ronaldo, exact same player, same goals, but at Liverpool, Arsenal, Valencia etc, would NOT have cost the same, because thats simply how life is.

Torres won't be worth 70mil, the nonsense about City spending 100mil is just that Milan weren't desparate to sell, had huge debt's. Everyone knows liverpools situation, they can't turn down a certain offer, and it will be WAY below 100mil.

Real Madrid did a nutty buy at 80mil, but they took on huge loans to do so, they can't secure such loans again so soon, especially as its not looking to have paid off as big/easily as they had hoped.

City will have no competition in the summer and frankly there won't be more than 2 clubs who could actually afford over 40mil a player in reality, why would either throw away money they don't need to?

Someone who can score 40+ goals in a single season is worth a lot more than someone who can score at an equal rate, but over more seasons.
 
Was listening to talksport on the way home and this scouser was on pretty much saying it's become common knowledge around Liverpool that Rafa will be on his way at the end of the season with John Toshack :eek: the rumoured man to take over.... that got me thinking to a betfair advert I saw last night where the scouser on it said that if Liverpool got 4th and won the Wafa Cup they'd have had a better season than Arsenal if they only finish 3rd.... wonder how people in the real world think about that?
 
At the end of the day they'll have some silverware. It's not that great, but like an FA Cup, I'd happily take a UEFA cup. Obviously it goes without saying I'd rather have either two of the bigger trophies..

I'd say our chances for a league title or a Champ's league is pretty similar to them getting fourth and a UEFA Cup. They're 3 games up Villa, 2 Man City and 1 Spurs, and there are some pretty decent sides left in the UEFA cup, e.g. Juve. Think Rubin are pretty decent as well.
 
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Greenlizard0 said:
At the end of the day they'll have some silverware. It's not that great, but like an FA Cup, I'd happily take a UEFA cup. Obviously it goes without saying I'd rather have either two of the bigger trophies..
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Will that mean they've had a better season then Arsenal then? Assuming that they dont win the title or Champions League that is.
 
We have been stronger throughout, and for all four competitions that we both entered we'd have done better, further in FA Cup, beat them in the Carling Cup, done the double over them in the league, finished higher than them in the league and progressed further in the Champion's League. I guess that means we have done better.

However, if we get third only, and they get fourth and a UEFA cup? At the end of the season I'd say that's better on paper (where over time I guess that's all that really matters).

Champ's League qualification for next season is very important, if you can't win the league who cares where a team comes at the end of it if they're 2nd, 3rd or 4th. If they get that 4th spot, it doesn't matter how they did it (and how much their fans have bitched and moaned :p), but the fact they did it.
 
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