Rafa deserves the chance to overachieve with Liverpool again

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G|mp said:
In fact you a slightly more intelligent version of boomAM and look how that ended :D;):p
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Are you referring to the now (in)famous "Shevchenko will never leave Milan" incident or was this another time? :D

For my money Rafa Benitez has done pretty well in his time at Liverpool, sure it's a bit of a dodgy spell at the moment but overall he has managed the team to performances arguably above their ability. The positions between 4 and 8 are only seperated by 5 points so a couple of wins and other results going Liverpool's way then suddenly it's game on again. It's probably be better if he hadn't gone on about his "fachts" but then again lots of managers have said something a bit silly in the heat of the moment.

I've never been a Liverpool fan but I do remember Gerard Houllier and Roy Evans, I'm not convinced that trading a known like Benitez and risking going back to those glory days is worth it. I say that primarily because I'd not view the Liverpool job as a massively enticing one, it's a big club in terms of fans and Worldwide recognition but if you do well then it's little more than is expected of you, do badly and you're losing whatever reputation you had - put simply it's a large risk with a comparatively small reward.
 
jakeke said:
Wow some of those comments are, hmm, let's say generous. In fact, nearly every comment
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Regardless of your own opinion of the players, do you actually get the point? That being that Benitez has been constrained compared to the very top sides and has had to generate much of the income from sales. It has been very rare that he has been in a position to splash £20 mill plus on a player. It could be argued that Liverpool have overachieved given those constraints and that we are actually performing now to the level that reflects the investment!
 
I don't think anyone can knock him for the money he gets for players when he moves them on, I said it the other week, he got how much for Sissoko? Genius work.

But......he buys a helluva lot of average players and that's why they haven't really moved on from where they were when Houllier was there an endless intake of dross, sell them, more dross, sell them more dross...........
 
G|mp said:
I don't think anyone can knock him for the money he gets for players when he moves them on, I said it the other week, he got how much for Sissoko? Genius work.

But......he buys a helluva lot of average players and that's why they haven't really moved on from where they were when Houllier was there an endless intake of dross, sell them, more dross, sell them more dross...........
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But that is the point isn't it G|mp, he has very rarely been in the position where the money has been there to buy the top players!
 
G|mp said:
But......he buys a helluva lot of average players and that's why they haven't really moved on from where they were when Houllier was there an endless intake of dross, sell them, more dross, sell them more dross...........
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Catch 22 tbh. Buy lots of cheap players so we've got a bigger squad but less quality or buy a few expensive players, improve the quality of the first team but have a smaller squad. That's what he's done this season and he's come unstuck because of injuries :(
 
Yozz76 said:
But that is the point isn't it G|mp, he has very rarely been in the position where the money has been there to buy the top players!
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He's spent a fair bit on average players that's all, Fergie's the same but he tends to find a gem and has been lucky as **** because of an excellent youth team.

Rafa has never found a gem, well he did but he annoyed him and he trotted off to Madrid.

Pigeon_Killer said:
Catch 22 tbh. Buy lots of cheap players so we've got a bigger squad but less quality or buy a few expensive players, improve the quality of the first team but have a smaller squad. That's what he's done this season and he's come unstuck because of injuries :(
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He wanted Barry over Alonso, that has got to be a reason in itself to question the man's decision making.

Even Scholes was so ****ed off at getting the run around from Alonso that he tried to take his head off and Paul Scholes is the best midfielder that has ever lived.
 
G|mp said:
He wanted Barry over Alonso, that has got to be a reason in itself to question the man's decision making.
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There's no doubt he was instrumental in Alonso leaving but we wouldn't have got anywhere near as much for him if he hadn't upped his game and played for a move last season. IIRC both Arsenal and Juventus only offered £14 million the year before :eek:
 
G|mp said:
He's spent a fair bit on average players that's all, Fergie's the same but he tends to find a gem and has been lucky as **** because of an excellent youth team.

Rafa has never found a gem, well he did but he annoyed him and he trotted off to Madrid.



He wanted Barry over Alonso, that has got to be a reason in itself to question the man's decision making.

Even Scholes was so ****ed off at getting the run around from Alonso that he tried to take his head off and Paul Scholes is the best midfielder that has ever lived.
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Given that they are 'average' players then he has deffo overachieved! I actually agree that most are average at best and that to me puts into context how well he has done with them until now.

In terms of them being ovepriced, then yes some obviously were but who hasn't paid over the odds for players?

I'm not going to suggest that Ferguson isn't a brilliant manager as that would be impossible to suggest. However, I would be interested to see a similar comparison for United to the above ins and outs for Fergies reign.
 
Yozz76 said:
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The "net spend" argument is a red herring.

All arguments from Benitez supporters Ignore some quite basic facts.

He has churned through a lot of players unnecessarily.
He has spent A LOT of money.
He has so far in league and cup terms delivered less than the previous manager.
Liverpool were an established top 4 side club when he took over.
He has in 6 years with more money, done less than Houllier did, and he got the sack.
 
BaZ87 said:
Those figures for Liverpool are wrong, I'd assume they're just as wrong for all the other sides too.
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But why are they wrong?
Is it because you have not posted them, or because someone else has?

The mail, and every other website bar the one you choose come up with similar figures, and they are all wrong?

Liverpool 3rd highest net spend since the creation of the premier league, and not one title to show for it.
Even the 04-05 section shows he has spent a fortune more than almost everybody else.
 
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atpbx said:
But why are they wrong?
Is it because you have not posted them, or because someone else has?

The mail, and every other website bar the one you choose come up with similar figures, and they are all wrong?
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I don't want to make you look stupid, you manage that yourself, but if you actually checked the figures in all 3 links you'd actually find that the Mail and the link I posted claim we've spent £229m, it's the 3rd link (which I've claimed to be wrong) which has different figures :p

Anyway, continue with your jibber :)
 
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