ramthor's monster build

[ramthor]

11 posts above too . If you want to change the title let me know.

Yeah, the title no longer reflects the price or specs. I will probably start a new thread with the updated specs and final cost when I'll bloody make up my mind and start ordering things. Just change it to Monster build for now. Thanks!

 

[ramthor]

It is the 3rd x16 slot, yes... but the distance between the 1st slot and second slot is double-width... so you have:

1 slot = pci-e x16
2 slot = empty
3 slot = pci-e x16 (size slot, but only works at x8 speed)
4 slot = pci-e x8
5 slot = pci-e x16 (the one you want to put second card in as per diagram to get full x16 speed)

So that's 4 slot spacing which is 80mm.

I double checked the size of my EVGA HB SLI bridge before mentioning that to make sure I wasn't giving you duff information - definitely 80mm.


And yes, you can use 2x flex bridges while you're waiting - that's what I've been doing.

Thank you for confirmation. Now I know I can't use a FC Terminal and I have to build the connection between GPU blocks myself.

This arises new questions.

I'm sticking with EK for all water cooling connections for increased compatibility. So for GPU block connectivity their website lists HD connectors and pre-cut hard tubing. My questions are:

1. Why HD fittings and not HDC as the rest of the loop?

2. Is it worth buying the pre-cut tubes? Can't I cut them myself? Why would they sell the pre-cut tubes? Is it difficult to get them cut in the same size or what?

 

[ramthor]

I read that parallel is superior to serial as it is less restrictive on the loop flow.

Am I right in assuming if I want to go for a parallel configuration I need a total of 4 HD fittings (between GPU blocks) and 2 HDC fittings for in/out flow?

 

[ramthor]

That's correct yes.

Thanks.

I prefer serial, but that's a personal preference thing. You shouldn't have any trouble with flow with the pump you have - although if you are worried about restrictions, you could always get the EK Dual D5 pump like I have... it's two D5 pumps stuck together that work in serial.

Product name is "EK-XTOP Revo Dual D5 PWM Serial - (incl. 2x pump)"

I went for that pump due to having quite so many radiators.

I've considered getting the dual pump but if I want to split the loop in the future I'll end up with having 3 or 4 pumps for 2 radiators which is really unnecessary.

How it works in my head is that in serial... they're both forced to full flow whereas in parallel you could get some lower flow / stagnant areas within the GPU blocks and I would rather have slightly lower total flow than potentially reduced cooling per gpu block. It might work better in real life than it does in my head... but that's my reasoning behind my preference.

That is how I imagined it too but in reality there is not a significant difference between serial and parallel just as the fact that the loop components order is not significant either.

Counter intuitive, I know, but that's what I read it was observed through experimentation.

So I think it comes down to aesthetics when choosing one or the other.

 

[ramthor]

Are you forgetting altogether about the HTC Vive?

Thank you for noticing!

I have omitted it on purpose from the build because it has gotten ridiculously expensive already and I needed to protect what's left of my sanity.

I will still buy it. Just not right now. I have plenty of things that can go wrong without adding even more complexity to an already complex project.

 

[ramthor]

You could save 50% of the cost and have a machine that would be indistinguishable from this. Sanity went out the window at £4k

Feel free to post a config.

 

[ramthor]

What post number?

EDIT:
Found it #163

Your suggestion is using 980Ti and my config has 2 Titan X's and you say indistinguishable performance. Need I say more?

 

[ramthor]

I said buy a £349 card and wait for the GTX1080Ti and Vega chips. Both of which will be faster than the Titan XP.

I appreciate your opinion but as you probably know Vega isn't coming until the first half of 2017 and 1080Ti IF it comes it will be after that and only if Vega proves to be a threat to 1080 which is still unknown.

Quite a long time to wait for a "maybe" and at that time there will be something else at the horizon and hence other reasons to wait and so on and so forth you never get to buy anything just always waiting for the next best thing.

 

[ramthor]

Well the GTX980Ti is plenty fast enough to run anything sub 4K. I'm sure it would hold out seeing the chip is still a match for GTX 1080 when overclocked.

For the planned resolution of 3440x1440, maxed details in current generation of games not even GTX980Ti in SLI will deliver an average FPS of 100 with min FPS above 60 which is my aim I have mentioned in the thread before.

I doubt Vega is that far off.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-vega-coming-2017/

 

[ramthor]

Vega is right on 2017.

60FPS is as playable as 100FPS.

Yes and that is exactly why I want my minimum FPS to not drop below 60.

 

[ramthor]

You can't the tell the difference between 50 and 60 FPS.

I can. And so the rest of the world. That's why better refresh monitors have been invented.

The holy grail for gaming is 60FPS average and about 85Hz.

You are wrong. That is the minimum comfort level.

In most games 40 FPS is more than playable.

If I wanted playable I would've bought an Xbox.

 

[ramthor]

I would tell you again about the minimum FPS getting way below 60 when your average FPS is 60 which is the very thing I want to avoid but I know it just won't get to you so I'll just leave it as it is.

Excellent input though. Keep telling me what I should do with my money. It really helps.

 

[ramthor]

I don't see the point in asking for build advice if you all ready know everything.

Good luck with the build, but you could build something better with £8.5K IF you can notice drops under 100FPS/Hz.

To answer a question you must first understand the question. You clearly don't understand what I want and that's why I will not take your advice.

The proof I listen to advice is that I changed my build radically since the start of the thread. I've added water cooling, changed to SLI and better CPU, took down the Vive, etc...

If you comment here just to throw some words around without any meaning just because you can feel free to do so. I will ignore you but maybe the moderators won't.

 

[ramthor]

Lol... there must be something a little off with your eyes.

I can tell the difference between 120Hz and 144Hz...

I get the impression a lot of people can tell the difference, otherwise these high refresh rate monitors wouldn't be so popular It's certainly not a placebo...

Stop the non-sense!

60FPS average is enough therefore you don't need more than 60Hz refresh monitors. Why? Because jigger says so and I believe him because he also says 980Ti's performance is indistinguishable from SLI Titan XP.

 

[ramthor]

there's something very, very wrong with this thread. I've never seen an OcUK post get filled up with so much vitriol and petulance.

It must be the price tag that drives people mad and feel the need to spit me in the face out of jealousy.

On the flip side, my build log for a very similar build hasn't seen many posts at all... but at least they're much more positive

You haven't put the price of your build in the OP and that's why you escaped the fury of the masses.

 

[ramthor]

OP edited to reflect the changes brought to the initial build.

 

[ramthor]

Yes. These from EKWD who were kind enough to offer me a 7% discount.

Item Sku Qty Subtotal
EK-AF Ball Valve (10mm) G1/4 - Black Nickel 3831109847299 2 € 35.30
EK-AF Y-Splitter Rotary 2F-1M G1/4 - Black Nickel 3831109846988 2 € 19.59
EK-HDC Fitting 16mm G1/4 - Black Nickel 3831109846087 16 € 93.69
EK-ACF Fitting 12/16mm - Black Nickel 3831109846551 10 € 49.08
EK-HD PETG Tube 12/16mm 500mm (2pcs) 3831109841402 4 € 31.30
EK-RES X3 250 3831109841020 2 € 108.10
EK-XTOP Revo D5 PWM - Plexi (incl. pump) 3831109843048 2 € 216.28
EK-FC Titan X Pascal - Nickel 3831109831687 2 € 240.29
EK-Supremacy EVO X99 - Full Nickel 3831109800379 1 € 75.69
EK-FC Titan X Pascal Backplate - Nickel 3831109831717 2 € 74.66
EK-CSQ Plug G1/4 - Black Nickel 3830046999245 4 € 11.62
EK-Ekoolant Pastel RED (concentrate 250mL) 3830046999719 2 € 29.40
EK-AF Angled 2×45° G1/4 Black Nickel 3831109845318 3 € 32.32
EK-AF Extender 12mm M-M G1/4 - Black Nickel 3831109846315 3 € 10.30
EK-HD Adapter 12/16mm - Black Nickel 3831109845905 5 € 22.44
EK-ATX Bridging Plug (24 pin) 3831109867716 1 € 1.99
EK-Cable Splitter 4-Fan PWM Extended 3831109867808 2 € 11.91
EK-HD Tube 12/16mm 4-Slot (2 pcs) 3831109841266 1 € 4.87
EK-Cable PWM Fan Extension (30cm) 3831109867853 2 € 5.81
EK-Cable Y-Splitter 3-Fan PWM (10cm) 3831109867914 1 € 3.39
EK-RES X3 - Internal Tube 12/16 140mm 3831109841150 1 € 5.95
EK-AF Pass-Through G1/4 - Black Nickel 3831109846957 3 € 14.73
EK-Ekoolant Pastel BLUE (concentrate 250mL) 3830046999726 2 € 29.40
TUBE PrimoChill PrimoFlex™ Advanced LRT™ 15,9 / 11,1mm - Crystal Clear RETAIL 3m 3831109850619 1 € 21.95
Subtotal € 958.38
Shipping € 12.90
Discount (7%) -€ 80.50
Tax € 175.58
Grand Total € 1,066.36

And this in black from officereality.co.uk

Grand Total £369.56

 

[ramthor]

I've clearly stated in my OP the build itself will start in October.

I think I'm fed up with all the negativity in this forum.

Maybe I should look around for friendlier communities.

 

[ramthor]

You certainly seem to have taken more than your fair share. I have to say I'm surprised at the number of comments of 'that's excessive' or 'you don't need that'. This is Overclockers people! The place where if you think you "need" 128GB of Plat Dom RAM because it looks nicer filling all the banks and you can splash the cash to buy it, anything goes. There's builds on here done 'just because' or 'to find out if it was possible'....and that's the way it should be

I wish you luck with build wherever you end up logging it.

Much appreciated!

 

[ramthor]

I agree with Cenedd, you have taken a lot of undeserved abuse, and those of us who actually want to see the build appreciate you hanging around.

I really don't get this forum sometimes. There are some really friendly and helpful people on here, but sometimes when you mention expensive machines, it is almost like you have stolen their money to build it.

There was a thread a while ago with someone who had bought a 8pack Supernova pc. £11k worth of computer and no one bitched about spending too much.

From my perspective, I am jealous of you for being able to afford such a thing, and if I had the means, I would do exactly the same.

Helpful posts like these balance the others.

Thank you for the kind words, good sir!