Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

[eddiew]

I am really biting at the bit to get a decent comparison between the latest Gen for Intel and AMD, I've always been Intel, almost pulled the trigger on AMD last week but doing my best to not be so hasty..

Heh, you won't be the only one. I think if I hadn't known Raptor Lake was due within weeks I'd have gotten myself something new.

So far I'm still favouring AMD for the power consumption - but the current boards are absurdly expensive. Yes, they'll run the next gen CPUs too and that is a bonus, but the early adopter tax is absolutely savage and I'll probably wait for the B-series. And by then there will be plenty of reviews

 

[JGF111]

Heh, you won't be the only one. I think if I hadn't known Raptor Lake was due within weeks I'd have gotten myself something new.

So far I'm still favouring AMD for the power consumption - but the current boards are absurdly expensive. Yes, they'll run the next gen CPUs too and that is a bonus, but the early adopter tax is absolutely savage and I'll probably wait for the B-series. And by then there will be plenty of reviews

The staggering of these various cpus this time is sooooooo frustrating lol. Have to restrain on the Zen4 until raptor lake is reviewed a month later. And then, the REALLY hard part is to wait another 8 weeks until CES when Zen4X3D is apparently announced.

 

[Tykey]

I'm up for a whole pc upgrade soon, i think zen 4 and raptor lake have similar performance for my use case (VR gaming), both expensive. I've always gone Intel before, but will probably go amd this time due to probably being able to upgrade cpu in 5 years time (if zen 3 is anything to go by).

 

[Bencher]

I'm up for a whole pc upgrade soon, i think zen 4 and raptor lake have similar performance for my use case (VR gaming), both expensive. I've always gone Intel before, but will probably go amd this time due to probably being able to upgrade cpu in 5 years time (if zen 3 is anything to go by).

The 13600k will be the best value cpu this gen, so whoever is looking to upgrade should grab one. Pair it with a 200 euro msi pro a z690.

Upgradability is great on paper, in practice amd is charging you the cost of a motherboard included in their cpu prices, so you might as well go with intel and buy a brand new mobo

For example, the 5600x launched for 300 msrp, with actual prices being closer to 400 euros. With 200 euros you could buy a 10400f and a b560

The 5800x 3d launched for 450. With that money you could buy a 12700f + a b660.

 

[uscool]

13600k is priced similar to the 12700k currently is which is disappointing was hoping it was closer priced to the 12600k

 

[uscool]

I'm up for a whole pc upgrade soon, i think zen 4 and raptor lake have similar performance for my use case (VR gaming), both expensive. I've always gone Intel before, but will probably go amd this time due to probably being able to upgrade cpu in 5 years time (if zen 3 is anything to go by).

You'll get the zen5 3d option later as well

 

[Bencher]

13600k is priced similar to the 12700k currently is which is disappointing was hoping it was closer priced to the 12600k

Its faster than the 12700 in mt, probably in gaming as well, remains to be seen

 

[IT Troll]

The Intel base price of the 13600K is a bit higher this time. However the UK pricing does seem rather high across the range, even after accounting for the change in the $ rate.

i5-12600K RCP $289.00
UK Launch £289.99

i7-12700K RCP $409.00
UK Launch £419.99

i9-12900K RCP $589.00
UK Launch £599.99

i5-13600K RCP $319.00
UK Launch £379.99

i7-13700K RCP $409.00
UK Launch £499.99

i9-13900K RCP $589
UK Launch £699.95

 

[Glanza]

The Intel base price of the 13600K is a bit higher this time. However the UK pricing does seem rather high across the range, even after accounting for the change in the $ rate.

i5-12600K RCP $289.00
UK Launch £289.99

i7-12700K RCP $409.00
UK Launch £419.99

i9-12900K RCP $589.00
UK Launch £599.99

i5-13600K RCP $319.00
UK Launch £379.99

i7-13700K RCP $409.00
UK Launch £499.99

i9-13900K RCP $589
UK Launch £699.95

Doubt it but could be place holder pricing until launch, seem to be same price across the board.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

@Bencher if you've seen the reviews, this is what I meant by the 4090 would be huge. Also the main reason I sold x3d. It's just a bottleneck. You'll want very tuned RPL + M/A die to get the max out of it. Esp at my use case 3440x1440 175hz

 

[Journey]

@Bencher if you've seen the reviews, this is what I meant by the 4090 would be huge. Also the main reason I sold x3d. It's just a bottleneck. You'll want very tuned RPL + M/A die to get the max out of it. Esp at my use case 3440x1440 175hz

Waiting to see if RPL can fight off X3D in SIM's, as that is still an unknown and where X3D was excelling regardless of GPU power, as they are mainly CPU constrained.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Waiting to see if RPL can fight off X3D in SIM's, as that is still an unknown and where X3D was excelling regardless of GPU power, as they are mainly CPU constrained.

Tuned ADL already can as we showed in my thread, so RPL won't have an issue. But I don't care for stock results or power draw so each his own when it comes to those factors.

 

[Wolverine2349]

If I were to get a GeForce RTX 4090 for 1440p gaming with a native G Sync 240Hz monitor, will Raptor Lake be a worthy upgrade from a 12700K with e-cores disabled and 5GHZ all core clock with ring of 4.8GHz??

I would intend to do same with Raptor Lake and make an 8 core chip by shutting off e-cores and hoping for a superior 8 core chip with much better P cores.

How do you think an 8 core Raptor Lake (13900K) with e-cores off and well tuned would do in gaming vs the upcoming Ryzen 7700X 3D Cache version?

Some would say it is a waste to get 13900K over 13700K if you disable e-cores, but the extra L3 cache may be important and I have heard it is very important for gaming and maybe especially so to not bottleneck something so insanely powerful as RTX 4090.

Given that it takes much higher clock speeds on regular 7700X just to barely beat 12900K in gaming (only 8 P cores matter for both as the extra 8 e-crap cores do nothing to help games), and an equally clocked Alder Lake P core and Zen 4 7700Xm the Alder Lake wins, it would seem Raptor Lake will at least have an edge in gaming over regular Zen 4. Now it remains to be seen will Zen 4 3d Cache versions tie Raptor Lake or beat it or still be behind and if so by how much?? How much do you think Raptor Lake beats Zen 4 at same clock speeds and P-core count in gaming. If it does by a lot than safe to say you are not missing anything by going that route and that Zen 4 3D will likely only tie it or stay behind or barely beat it??

Your thoughts??

 

[Journey]

How do you think an 8 core Raptor Lake (13900K) with e-cores off and well tuned would do in gaming vs the upcoming Ryzen 7700X 3D Cache version?

Pointless guessing, until they are actually out there is no real empirical data to compare.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Pointless guessing, until they are actually out there is no real empirical data to compare.

Based on what we see so far do you think 8 core Raptor Lake hammers 8 core Zen 4 at same P core clock speed and handily beats Alder Lake gaming.

Though the RTX 4090 needs to probably be released first to see as it will open up more bottlenecks for meaningful CPU tests.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Based on what we see so far do you think 8 core Raptor Lake hammers 8 core Zen 4 at same P core clock speed and handily beats Alder Lake gaming.

Though the RTX 4090 needs to probably be released first to see as it will open up more bottlenecks for meaningful CPU tests.

Well tuned RPL with HT off will comfortably beat the Zen4 equivalent for gaming. These guys are living in fantasy land thinking otherwise.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Well tuned RPL with HT off will comfortably beat the Zen5 equivalent for gaming. These guys are living in fantasy land thinking otherwise.

Really with HT off. Isn't HT necessary for highly threaded games to keep the 1% lows smooth?? I mean if way more than 8 cores than yeah HT off. With 8 cores it is a tossup and less than 8 cores needs to be on. But Raptor Lake is still on 8 good cores. And highly threaded games that do not saturate more than 50% of other cores will be much better with HT on I would think. If they saturate almost 100% of all other cores than HT will not help much.

And really you think it beats Zen 5 which is 2 years away??

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Really with HT off. Isn't HT necessary for highly threaded games to keep the 1% lows smooth?? I mean if way more than 8 cores than yeah HT off. With 8 cores it is a tossup and less than 8 cores needs to be on. But Raptor Lake is still on 8 good cores. And highly threaded games that do not saturate more than 50% of other cores will be much better with HT on I would think. If they saturate almost 100% of all other cores than HT will not help much.

And really you think it beats Zen 5 which is 2 years away??

Sorry zen4. It’s the lows where HT sucks…

Zen 5 will go up against MTL which is a whole new architecture

 

[LtMatt]

How do you think an 8 core Raptor Lake (13900K) with e-cores off and well tuned would do in gaming vs the upcoming Ryzen 7700X 3D Cache version?

Well tuned RPL with HT off will comfortably beat the Zen4 equivalent for gaming. These guys are living in fantasy land thinking otherwise.

Is there any definition in comfortably? What are you thinking, 50%?

I'm sure we'll revisit this claim next year.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Sorry zen4. It’s the lows where HT sucks…

Zen 5 will go up against MTL which is a whole new architecture

How about Zen 4 with SMT/HT off vs Raptor Lake with them off.

And ow about both with HT on. DO you think well tuned Raptor Lake wins comfortably vs Zen 4 in both scenarios for gaming?