Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

[Dave2150]

Latest benchmarks from engineering sample 13900k.

On average FPS, overall there seems to be very minor improvements but there are some outliers. Minimum FPS sees a reasonable gain at lower resolutions. Power draw seems to be significantly higher in games, still not super high given my 5950x likes to draw 120w in many games but it is higher than 12th gen

Power consumption seems very high for the improvement offered, though there clearly is an impovement in the all important minimum framerate metrics.

Hopefully this is just QS sample being at too high a voltage, or pre-release BIOS supplying wrong voltage.

 

[Bencher]

Latest benchmarks from engineering sample 13900k.

On average FPS, overall there seems to be very minor improvements but there are some outliers. Minimum FPS sees a reasonable gain at lower resolutions. Power draw seems to be significantly higher in games, still not super high given my 5950x likes to draw 120w in many games but it is higher than 12th gen

Its a shame that the power consumption is almost 40% higher in some cases. Alderlake was pretty amazing in gaming efficiency, and it seems that this time around they dropped the ball hard.

 

[g67575]

They should do an 8 core model (+ maybe an unlocked version) without E-Cores, but they probably won't.

Do we have any details about the Cache / Ring clocks yet on the 700 series boards and 13th gen CPUs?

 

[Dave2150]

Intel Core i5-13600K ES3 “Raptor Lake” 14-core CPU tested in CPU-Z and Cinebench​

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...ake-14-core-cpu-tested-in-cpu-z-and-cinebench

Crazy good performane from an i5! Z690, ddr4 and it 13600k - I don't see how AMD will be able to compete with this in terms of price/performance.

 

[Grim5]

13600k overclocked to 5.1ghz on P core and 4ghz on E core, slightly beats 5950x in multithread though the 13600k used 170w achieve this compared to +-130w a 5950x uses.

Given the 13600k will be much cheaper than a 5950x I'd say it's a good showing for a mid range chip, it's good to see top multithread performance coming to mid range parts

Intel Core i5-13600K 14 Core Raptor Lake ES CPU Tested, 40% Faster Than Core i5-12600K & Beats The Ryzen 9 5950X In Cinebench

The latest benchmarks of Intel's mainstream Core i5-13600K 14-Core Raptor Lake Desktop CPU have leaked out and it's a beast.

wccftech.com

 

[Dave2150]

13600k overclocked to 5.1ghz on P core and 4ghz on E core, slightly beats 5950x in multithread though the 13600k used 170w achieve this compared to +-130w a 5950x uses.

Given the 13600k will be much cheaper than a 5950x I'd say it's a good showing for a mid range chip, it's good to see top multithread performance coming to mid range parts

Intel Core i5-13600K 14 Core Raptor Lake ES CPU Tested, 40% Faster Than Core i5-12600K & Beats The Ryzen 9 5950X In Cinebench

The latest benchmarks of Intel's mainstream Core i5-13600K 14-Core Raptor Lake Desktop CPU have leaked out and it's a beast.

wccftech.com

Yeap. Plus consider the cost of investment for someone looking to upgrade. Cheap Z690 motherboard, cheap DDR4, 'cheap' 13th gen i5 - insanely good value.

 

[Poneros]

Really only the FH5 results are even half-useful. Need some proper stress-area benchmarking by people who actually play the games and know the pitfalls. Waiting for that 720p + RT @ Cyberpunk's City Centre to see how good these actually are.

 

[g67575]

Yeap. Plus consider the cost of investment for someone looking to upgrade. Cheap Z690 motherboard, cheap DDR4, 'cheap' 13th gen i5 - insanely good value.

Why is it exciting though? No improvement in IPC, small bump in clocks.

The 12600K can already get 4.9ghz with vcore @ 1.45v.

5ghz at 1.5v, according to this review:

Intel Core i5-12600K Review - Winning Price/Performance

The Core i5-12600K is the price/performance king in the Intel Alder Lake lineup. With its competitive pricing of $300, it's a clear winner against AMD's Ryzen 5 5600X and faster than even the 5800X in many applications and games. This is the gaming CPU you want.

www.techpowerup.com

Isn't Intel increasing their prices by 20% soon?

Main thing is, 5ghz all core might be achievable on air coolers with 13th gen.

 

[Dave2150]

Why is it exciting though? No improvement in IPC, small bump in clocks.

The 12600K can already get 4.9ghz with vcore @ 1.45v.

5ghz at 1.5v, according to this review:

Intel Core i5-12600K Review - Winning Price/Performance

The Core i5-12600K is the price/performance king in the Intel Alder Lake lineup. With its competitive pricing of $300, it's a clear winner against AMD's Ryzen 5 5600X and faster than even the 5800X in many applications and games. This is the gaming CPU you want.

www.techpowerup.com

Isn't Intel increasing their prices by 20% soon?

Main thing is, 5ghz all core might be achievable on air coolers with 13th gen.

Have you now accepted that Raptor Lake exists? I could quote perhaps 50 quotes from you in this thread, where you were claiming it wasn't a real thing/CPU.

Why is it exciting? Intel's brining more performance at all market segments, thanks to increases in ST, MT, due to a combination of more cache, cores and frequency.

 

[g67575]

Raptor Cove cores were fictitious, wouldn't you agree

I said from the start, that we could get a Golden Cove based refresh.

 

[g67575]

'Raptor Lake' is probably just Golden Cove cores in a different configuration imo.

So, it was a bit of a slow realisation for me . That was on page 10, when we first heard about launch planning for Meteor Lake in 2023.

13th gen. + 700 series should be good for new builds, still not sure if it will provide much benefit from 12th gen though.

 

[Journey]

Shame g6575854743746447363268 chickened out of your £100 bet eh @Robert896r1

 

[g67575]

Bet still stands for Raptor Cove cores

If you look at the wiki page for Golden Cove here:

Golden Cove - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can see that there's still room to improve L2 and L3 cache for desktop CPUs, even on the Golden Cove architecture. For servers (e.g. Sapphire Rapids, still to be released), Golden Cove allows upto 2MB of L2 cache per core, and upto 3MB of L3 Cache per core.

Alder Lake has upto 1.25MB of L2 and 2.5MB of L3 cache for each P-Core. Link here:

Intel 12th Gen Core Alder Lake for Desktops: Top SKUs Only, Coming November 4th

www.anandtech.com

 

[Dave2150]

It's okay bud, anyone is able to go back through the thread (if they have the will...) to see you refuse to believe 13th gen Raptor Lake existed, probably hundreds of times.

Do you accept 14th gen Meteor Lake also exists and will be released in the future? Or still on the fence about this one?

 

[g67575]

Well, we all know what an expert in exaggeration you are Dave . I'm sure Intel would have loved to release Meteor Lake this year instead of a Golden Cove refresh, but Intel's 7nm EUV process was delayed, so we won't see it until 2023...

 

[cliffy]

It's okay bud, anyone is able to go back through the thread (if they have the will...) to see you refuse to believe 13th gen Raptor Lake existed, probably hundreds of times.

Do you accept 14th gen Meteor Lake also exists and will be released in the future? Or still on the fence about this one?

Do you accept yet that 13th gen is a refresh and not a new architecture? Personally i am not excited by this, will hang on till at least 14th gen befvore upgrading my Intel rig

 

[Dave2150]

Intel Core i5-13600K 14-core CPU is almost as fast as Ryzen 9 5950X in leaked Geekbench mulit-core test​

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...n-9-5950x-in-leaked-geekbench-mulit-core-test

The i5-13600K is a 14-core CPU with 20 threads. For this configuration to work only 6 Performance cores are enabled and one cluster of 8 Efficient cores is available. It is too early to tell, but this might be a different silicon than 8P+16E variant that 13900K uses.

According to the data collected by the software, both CPUs were running up to 5.1 GHz, which is around 400 MHz lower than expected 13900K clock.

The CPU achieved a score of 1980 and 2012 points in single-core test and 14425 and 16054 in multi-core. If we were to use the better score here, this means that the CPU is up to 8% faster than its predecessor Core i5-12600K in single-core and 38% faster in multi-core test. Compared to AMD flagship Ryzen 5000 CPU with 16 cores (5950X), i5-13600K could be 20% faster in SC and around 3% slower in MT respectively.

GG - i5, cheap Z690 board, cheap DDR4, can't see how that can be beaten price/performance wise for quite some time.

 

[uscool]

would be nice if showed kind of power used

 

[SKILL]

Intel Core i5-13600K ES3 “Raptor Lake” 14-core CPU tested in CPU-Z and Cinebench​

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...ake-14-core-cpu-tested-in-cpu-z-and-cinebench

Crazy good performane from an i5! Z690, ddr4 and it 13600k - I don't see how AMD will be able to compete with this in terms of price/performance.

Intel Core i5-13600K 14-core CPU is almost as fast as Ryzen 9 5950X in leaked Geekbench mulit-core test​

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...n-9-5950x-in-leaked-geekbench-mulit-core-test



GG - i5, cheap Z690 board, cheap DDR4, can't see how that can be beaten price/performance wise for quite some time.

I think you need to get some new material dude.

 

[Troezar]

I'm confused why this small improvement, at the expense of more power, is good but Zen 4 is disappointing I think we know why