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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Troezar said:
I'm confused why this small improvement, at the expense of more power, is good but Zen 4 is disappointing :confused: I think we know why ;)
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Small improvement? A cheap i5 offering higher ST and similar MT as the flagship 5950x, a very expensive CPU, this is great news for those looking to upgrade!
 
Dave2150 said:
Small improvement? A cheap i5 offering higher ST and similar MT as the flagship 5950x, a very expensive CPU, this is great news for those looking to upgrade!
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As you know we're comparing 12 series with 13 series, not old AMD generation with new unreleased Intel generation. We'll revisit that when Zen 4 releases ;)
 
Dave2150 said:
Small improvement? A cheap i5 offering higher ST and similar MT as the flagship 5950x, a very expensive CPU, this is great news for those looking to upgrade!
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You're excited that a mid-range CPU can everso slightly outperform a 3 year old flagship CPU? This is literally what is supposed to happen in the tech space, but I guess all those years of you blindly fanboying Intel's incremental milking updates has conditioned you to see this as a big deal.

Shock horror, it's not a big deal. Especially when this is actually marginal improvement over Intel's previous generation and offers no future upgrade path since the platform is a dead end.

Honestly, I don't understand how you can continually post drivel and not feel massively embarrassed.
 
LePhuronn said:
You're excited that a mid-range CPU can everso slightly outperform a 3 year old flagship CPU?
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Yes, when the aforementioned 3 year old flagship is still more expensive than the release price of the 13600k. Which most likely will be the case.

So...who cares about how old the 5950x is? Thats literally the worst excuse ive ever heard. If it cant compete cause its too old then it should be way cheaper than it is. Nobody cares about how old a cpu is, how many cores it has or whatever else. Performance and price is the only comparison ground, everythin else is just fanboys making up excuses for why their favorite multibillion dollar company is in the losers seat

Its funny how you bring milking into this. You realize that the first 300$ msrp ZEN 3 cpu was SLOWER than the 300$ msrp zen 2 CPU right? Freaking SLOWER (5600x vs 3700x). And now 40% increase isnt good enough cause it says intel on the package. Here you are complaining about intels incremental upgrades, well thank god for AMD giving us incremental downgrades right? Holy cow you people cant be reasoned with

EG1. The 5950x is barely 2 years old btw and is the latest and greatest amd has to offer
 
Bencher said:
Yes, when the aforementioned 3 year old flagship is still more expensive than the release price of the 13600k. Which most likely will be the case.

So...who cares about how old the 5950x is? Thats literally the worst excuse ive ever heard. If it cant compete cause its too old then it should be way cheaper than it is. Nobody cares about how old a cpu is, how many cores it has or whatever else. Performance and price is the only comparison ground, everythin else is just fanboys making up excuses for why their favorite multibillion dollar company is in the losers seat

Its funny how you bring milking into this. You realize that the first 300$ msrp ZEN 3 cpu was SLOWER than the 300$ msrp zen 2 CPU right? Freaking SLOWER (5600x vs 3700x). And now 40% increase isnt good enough cause it says intel on the package. Here you are complaining about intels incremental upgrades, well thank god for AMD giving us incremental downgrades right? Holy cow you people cant be reasoned with

EG1. The 5950x is barely 2 years old btw and is the latest and greatest amd has to offer
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5600x vs 3700x you mean in multi workloads ? Pretty sure it got good jump with gaming ?
 
These power draw figures can't be right surely up to 400w? That's crazy talk or am I missing something. Trx40 is 280w so am I reading this right?
 
Vince said:
These power draw figures can't be right surely up to 400w? That's crazy talk or am I missing something. Trx40 is 280w so am I reading this right?
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You could say pretty impressive how much power can push through it and not explode

It will have to give at some point and find more efficient ways to continue performance progression
 
uscool said:

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At the time zen3 options were faster what intel offered right with 10th gen could even include 11th gen ?
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What difference does that make? They still released a CPU that was losing in MT performance. I mean Intel's cpus were faster than what AMD offered for a number of years, yet that's not an excuse for their stagnation is it?
 
Same as when zen first launched and 1800x was beating couple year old 5960x £1000 cpu for half price then got large further reductions, Intel barely moved in price.

Price reduction on cpu is kind of a new thing and is why old Intel hold value as they didn’t really come down in price.
 
Bencher said:
What difference does that make? They still released a CPU that was losing in MT performance. I mean Intel's cpus were faster than what AMD offered for a number of years, yet that's not an excuse for their stagnation is it?
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What do you mean stagnation thru improved every generation from zen 1 to zen 3 ? If you mean price that's because what the competition was offering at the time, zen3 was competing with 10th gen and was far better

With now both competing we can hope we get better prices

If I was building a system now I would go for 12700k over anything AMD currently has it's clearly the better product and well priced
 
uscool said:
What do you mean stagnation thru improved every generation from zen 1 to zen 3 ? If you mean price that's because what the competition was offering at the time
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I mean the 5600x being slower than the 3700x. I mean that 1700 to 5600x is only a 35% jump in MT performance at same price points. That's worse than what Intel gave us in their 4core era :cry:
 
uscool said:
You could say pretty impressive how much power can push through it and not explode

It will have to give at some point and find more efficient ways to continue performance progression
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It's mad though that's 120 more watts than my 3960x in a far smaller package how the hell are we going to cool this thing?
 
Bencher said:
I mean the 5600x being slower than the 3700x. I mean that 1700 to 5600x is only a 35% jump in MT performance at same price points. That's worse than what Intel gave us in their 4core era :cry:
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I don't have any loyalty to either so couldn't care less about shilling for one . I don't know how one does it

Could go in circles all day for what ?
 
uscool said:
360 - 420 rad fans full blast or just don't do any workload that will use all that power lol
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That kinda defeats the object though does it not? These days I just want to drop the chip in, slap on a cooler and have that performance available to me whatever the workload. I'm not one for turning stuff off and tuning stuff anymore I was when I was much younger but not anymore. For example my machine is still overclocked from when I fiddled for the cinebench thread, I couldn't even be bother to put it back to stock and that was probably 8 months ago.
 
Vince said:
That kinda defeats the object though does it not? These days I just want to drop the chip in, slap on a cooler and have that performance available to me whatever the workload. I'm not one for turning stuff off and tuning stuff anymore I was when I was much younger but not anymore. For example my machine is still overclocked from when I fiddled for the cinebench thread, I couldn't even be bother to put it back to stock and that was probably 8 months ago.
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Don't know it's engineering sample so might not be the final version and maybe could be tuned but it seems for the gains the increased power is worth the trade off for intel

But at some point it will have to give out can't just keep increasing power

The socket lever doesn't put even pressure so do lose out with temps can buy aftermarket bracket
 
LePhuronn said:
You're excited that a mid-range CPU can everso slightly outperform a 3 year old flagship CPU? This is literally what is supposed to happen in the tech space, but I guess all those years of you blindly fanboying Intel's incremental milking updates has conditioned you to see this as a big deal.
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Do you think the 7600X or 7800X will outperform the 5950X?
 
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