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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

What about this use case / situation you just play games and even old A320 board / wanting to upgrade from zen 1-2 for gaming boost works out cheaper
Seriously, you have an A320 board and a GPU to actually take advantage of the zen 3d? Like - who's the person with an 800 to 2000 GPU that has a 5 year old A320 and plays at 1080p. Whos that person, I wanna meet him. Btw, fyi, it's cheaper to get the 12600k + a brand new mobo than the 3d costs on it's own. A couple of weeks ago even a 12700f + a b660 was cheaper than the 3d. Thats absurd.
 
Seriously, you have an A320 board and a GPU to actually take advantage of the zen 3d? Like - who's the person with an 800 to 2000 GPU that has a 5 year old A320 and plays at 1080p. Whos that person, I wanna meet him. Btw, fyi, it's cheaper to get the 12600k + a brand new mobo than the 3d costs on it's own. A couple of weeks ago even a 12700f + a b660 was cheaper than the 3d. Thats absurd.

You can use it on X370, B350 and A320 , b550 , x570 not everyone wants to completely change system instead of simply just dropping in CPU

Coming from Ryzen 1000 / 2000 series gaming wise it's a nice jump and much better minimum frames

But I agree it should be priced lower but because of the board support they can get away with it
 
You can use it on X370, B350 and A320 , b550 , x570

Coming from Ryzen 1000 / 2000 series gaming wise it's a nice jump and much better minimum frames
Just like you can use any other CPU that's cheaper? I don't know man, I don't see someone that can't spend 100-150 to get a brand new mother be the target group of the 3d. It's ridiculously expensive and only makes a difference when you already have a top of the line gpu that costs upwards of 2k.
 
Just like you can use any other CPU that's cheaper? I don't know man, I don't see someone that can't spend 100-150 to get a brand new mother be the target group of the 3d. It's ridiculously expensive and only makes a difference when you already have a top of the line gpu that costs upwards of 2k.

motherboard could have been bought in 2017
 
motherboard could have been bought in 2017
And why would you rather keep your 5 year old outdated used and out of warranty motherboard instead of just buying a brand new CPU + a brand new shiny motherboard with all the bells and whistles for the price the 3d costs on it's own? I don't know, sounds absurd to me. The 3d is for people that have money to burn. Which is fine, there is a market for people like that. But trying to portray it as a value option is just ridiculous. It just isn't even if you already have a motherboard.
 
Any reason why the b660 boards are locked when using unlocked CPUs ? AMD B550 I gather was never locked ? Or have I missed something ?

Be interesting with am5 being choice of 3 boards if b650 will be locked ?
New B660 boards like the mortar max and B660M PG riptide are coming which use cheap DDR4 and allow bclk overclocking on non K CPUs.

Der8auer found that a 12400F could even beat a 12900k in some games when clocked to 5.2 so should be an interesting combo especially with boards like this paired with cheap RPL locked CPUs.
 
13700k overclocked to 5.9ghz all core with 1.42-1.44v. Not exotic cooling either, CPU running at 86c under load and power draw is 238w.

But, the E cores are disabled so its operating with 8 cores and 16 threads.

 
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13700k overclocked to 5.9ghz all core with 1.42-1.44v. Not exotic cooling either, CPU running at 86c under load and power draw is 238w.

But, the E cores are disabled so its operating with 8 cores and 16 threads.

I dont believe this is for a second. No way in hell it consumes 238w at 5.9ghz, especially with that wattage. Wouldn't surprise if it was at 400w actually.
 
And why would you rather keep your 5 year old outdated used and out of warranty motherboard instead of just buying a brand new CPU + a brand new shiny motherboard with all the bells and whistles for the price the 3d costs on it's own? I don't know, sounds absurd to me. The 3d is for people that have money to burn. Which is fine, there is a market for people like that. But trying to portray it as a value option is just ridiculous. It just isn't even if you already have a motherboard.
Well i personally wouldnt buy an Intel system now as i know the socket is dead after RPL. Anyone else knowing that may elect to drop in a 3D and wait till Zen 4 3D or Zen 5. Not everyone wants to spend money on a motherboard every 2 generations,not when that money can be spent on better Graphics cards
 
Well i personally wouldnt buy an Intel system now as i know the socket is dead after RPL. Anyone else knowing that may elect to drop in a 3D and wait till Zen 4 3D or Zen 5. Not everyone wants to spend money on a motherboard every 2 generations,not when that money can be spent on better Graphics cards
I agree with your point but a lot of people like me have NEVER upgraded a CPU on a motherboard.

I would typically buy a CPU and motherboard and ram and GPU and then swap the GPU out 2-3 years later and couple of years after that start again.

My current upgrade plan, will be either Raptorlake or Zen 4 once the reviews are out and most likely a 4080 (I haven't had a ATI GPU since 9800XT but you never know they may tempt me). Whatever i get it going to bury my 6700k/1080 but its going to be a great NAS/plex/work box.

Shortages have expended my normal upgrade cycle this time round and made me an Xbox guy but right now im looking forward to a new PC very much.
 
I agree with your point but a lot of people like me have NEVER upgraded a CPU on a motherboard.

I would typically buy a CPU and motherboard and ram and GPU and then swap the GPU out 2-3 years later and couple of years after that start again.

My current upgrade plan, will be either Raptorlake or Zen 4 once the reviews are out and most likely a 4080 (I haven't had a ATI GPU since 9800XT but you never know they may tempt me). Whatever i get it going to bury my 6700k/1080 but its going to be a great NAS/plex/work box.

Shortages have expended my normal upgrade cycle this time round and made me an Xbox guy but right now im looking forward to a new PC very much.


My 5950x is the first time for me putting a new cpu on an old board, every other time I buy a new mobo with a new cpu and ram
 
Well i personally wouldnt buy an Intel system now as i know the socket is dead after RPL. Anyone else knowing that may elect to drop in a 3D and wait till Zen 4 3D or Zen 5. Not everyone wants to spend money on a motherboard every 2 generations,not when that money can be spent on better Graphics cards
The money you save on the board gets eaten up with the pricier CPUs though atleast that's how it was on Zen 3 for the first 14 months after release. Also Intel CPUs and boards tend to hold their price better on the used market so selling both to upgrade isn't as much as a loss as in some cases just the CPU for ryzen.
 
I dont believe this is for a second. No way in hell it consumes 238w at 5.9ghz, especially with that wattage. Wouldn't surprise if it was at 400w actually.

Same guy has a 13900k too, says he's got it to 6.1ghz on one core with 1.5v or 5.5ghz all core on P core and 4.3ghz on E core with 1.3v and he achieved just under 40 thousand score in R23. The 13900k pulled 350w in R23 at 1.3v with clocks at 5.5ghz P core and 4.3ghz E core.

 
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New B660 boards like the mortar max and B660M PG riptide are coming which use cheap DDR4 and allow bclk overclocking on non K CPUs.

Der8auer found that a 12400F could even beat a 12900k in some games when clocked to 5.2 so should be an interesting combo especially with boards like this paired with cheap RPL locked CPUs.
AMD has a better policy here, much easier for newcomers to understand.

The problem with these few special boards that allow BCLK configuration, is that they will be too expensive to be worth it. Might as well just buy an unlocked board and CPU, if building an Intel system. The performance will be better.

2nd hand 12600K /KF CPUs for ~£210-£230 will hit the market when the 13th gen is released. I think Intel should consider releasing some cheaper unlocked boards to stay competitive, like a tier inbetween the 'B' and 'Z' series chipsets.
 
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Same guy has a 13900k too, says he's got it to 6.1ghz on one core with 1.5v or 5.5ghz all core on P core and 4.3ghz on E core with 1.3v and he achieved just under 40 thousand score in R23. The 13900k pulled 350w in R23 at 1.3v with clocks at 5.5ghz P core and 4.3ghz E core.

Yeah those numbers make sense, and they aint far off a 12900k. I can get 5.7ghz on 2 cores at 1.55-1.58v. The all core speed can get up to 5.4 but my air cooler can't handle it, so it drops to 5.2.
 
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Chiller but good to see 1k SC broken.
 
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