I think it's heat *density*. If you have the tip of a needle generating a lot of power, it's difficult to extract all the heat quickly.
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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
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I think it's heat *density*. If you have the tip of a needle generating a lot of power, it's difficult to extract all the heat quickly.
All we know so far is that Zen 5 will be:
Judging by the fact that they are using a denser fabrication process, and mention scale optimizations, it's probably safe to assume that the core count will increase.
The most advanced '4nm' process appears to be called 'N4X' and offers improvements to clock frequency and allows higher voltages to be used. It's estimated to go into volume manufacturing in 'H1 2024'. More info here:
www.anandtech.com
- 'Optimised for scale'
- Built on TSMC's 4nm EUV process technology
- 'New Grounds up architecture' with enhanced performance + efficiency
- Similarly to Zen 4, there will be 'Front End' performance improvements
Judging by the fact that they are using a denser fabrication process, and mention scale optimizations, it's probably safe to assume that the core count will increase.
The most advanced '4nm' process appears to be called 'N4X' and offers improvements to clock frequency and allows higher voltages to be used. It's estimated to go into volume manufacturing in 'H1 2024'. More info here:
TSMC Unveils N4X Node: Extreme High-Performance at High Voltages
Think you're in the wrong thread.All we know so far is that Zen 5 will be:
From these slides:
- 'Optimised for scale'
- Built on TSMC's 4nm EUV process technology
- 'New Grounds up architecture' with enhanced performance + efficiency
- Similarly to Zen 4, there will be 'Front End' performance improvements
Judging by the fact that they are using a denser fabrication process, and mention scale optimizations, it's probably safe to assume that the core count will increase.
The most advanced '4nm' process appears to be called 'N4X' and offers improvements to clock frequency and allows higher voltages to be used. It's estimated to go into volume manufacturing in 'H1 2024'. More info here:
TSMC Unveils N4X Node: Extreme High-Performance at High Voltages
The 7600x and the 7700x is just amd trolling. These cpus makes no sense in that price bracket. Whos gonna buy them and why
People will buy these CPUs because they like the AM5 platform, these CPUs also have a better memory controller than Intel's Goldencove CPUs. If the performance gains in games are accurate, AMD shouldn't have a problem selling Zen 4 CPUs. Intel's 13th generation prices won't be cheap either, so I think that's the main reason.
Better memory controller? Can you elaborate on that? Alderlake already does 7400+ mhz, and the bottleneck seems to be the actual ddr kits themselves.
Intels prices WILL be cheap. If you do a MT performance per $, intel will be far far ahead.
Sure gaming performance will be close, but thats the point. Since gaming performance is close, why would you buy the cpu that has half the mt performance at similar cost? It sounds insane to me.
Did you learn nothing from your hundreds of posts in the CPU section over the last few months? Zen4 on AM5 demands (expensive) DDR5 and (expensive) AM5 motherboards. Sure, people will buy them - though I don't think it'll be anywhere near as popular as Zen3 was on release, due to the global recession, inflation and the very high initial investment cost.
The sensible option for the vast majority of users, are cheap Zen3, 12th and 13th gen CPU's, with DDR4. Performance per £ cannot be beaten with these options.
Because people don't care about MT performance, if the number of cores their CPU has already provide enough (for games, work or whatever). It just isn't important to most users. They want faster cores, not more cores.
E-Cores can actually be a disadvantage in some situations, it's very much a compromise in design.
Regarding Zen 4's IMC, it runs at full speed upto 3000mhz, with DDR5 6000 MT/s RAM.
This was something that bothered me a bit about Alder Lake (and the 11th generation too with DDR4 - So, I decided to go with the 10th generation instead), the memory controller has to be run in gear 2 with DDR5.
E-Cores can actually be a disadvantage in some situations, it's very much a compromise in design.
Regarding Zen 4's IMC, it runs at full speed upto 3000mhz, with DDR5 6000 MT/s RAM.
This was something that bothered me a bit about Alder Lake (and the 11th generation too with DDR4 - So, I decided to go with the 10th generation instead), the memory controller has to be run in gear 2 with DDR5.
I'm glad there's competition from AMD and new tech, you don't have to be happy about it.
But thats the point, zen 4 doesnt provide faster cores. They are equal in single thread, and just way worse in MT.
Ill tell you this, the 7600x will be severely bottlenecked by its 6 cores in games like spiderman. Im hitting 90% usage on a 12900k that has almost double the mt. The 7600x is kinda doa amd makes no sense.
In this DSO review, a 9900K was handling Spider-Man Remastered comfortably over 60 FPS:
https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-perfor...pider-man-remastered-pc-performance-analysis/
Even with 4 or 6 cores (and threads) active, still getting minimums over 60. CPU utilization doesn't tell the whole story.
Good framerates with this CPU, tested with various RT options enabled, as shown here:
https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-perfor...ss-fsr-2-0-benchmarks-comparison-screenshots/
Lots of people were pleased with the 5600X's performance in games, so there's clearly a market for a successor.
I'd generally agree that an 8 core is the way to go for games, but prices for 8 P cores /8 Ryzen cores (still) haven't come down enough to overtake 6 core CPUs in price/performance.
https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-perfor...pider-man-remastered-pc-performance-analysis/
Even with 4 or 6 cores (and threads) active, still getting minimums over 60. CPU utilization doesn't tell the whole story.
Good framerates with this CPU, tested with various RT options enabled, as shown here:
https://www.dsogaming.com/pc-perfor...ss-fsr-2-0-benchmarks-comparison-screenshots/
Lots of people were pleased with the 5600X's performance in games, so there's clearly a market for a successor.
I'd generally agree that an 8 core is the way to go for games, but prices for 8 P cores /8 Ryzen cores (still) haven't come down enough to overtake 6 core CPUs in price/performance.
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Inferior mem controller, checking in.
Basically, what I took from this review, is that you need ~6000 MT/s DDR5 to overtake DDR4 performance (running in gear 1) in latency sensitive tasks like games:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-ddr4-vs-ddr5/3.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ddr5-memory-performance-scaling/3.html
So, you lose some performance to running in gear 2 mode. It's still early days, so we'll see if this makes much difference for Zen 4.
The impression I get, is that you don't seem to think it matters if Zen 4's memory controller runs at a higher frequency, than Goldencove's?
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ddr5-memory-performance-scaling/3.html
So, you lose some performance to running in gear 2 mode. It's still early days, so we'll see if this makes much difference for Zen 4.
The impression I get, is that you don't seem to think it matters if Zen 4's memory controller runs at a higher frequency, than Goldencove's?
? I don't think you read my post correctly, I was discussing the price point of Zen5 and it's expected popularity upon initial release.
I also love new tech and competition, I buy plenty of high end hardware just to play and have fun exploring it
RPL will embarrass these parts and with only a marginal win in SC and a 14-18% loss in MT against intels year old ADL cpu's then its no wonder AMDs marketing director has just resigned.
This sounds like someone who bought a 7600k and look how that turned out in a couple of years.
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Perhaps one of the most ignorant videos regarding RAM I've come across yet and that's saying something. Imagine doing this for a living and knowing so little.
Yet, somehow what you've said is even less enlightening, takes some doing
