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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

House said:
Your assuming that the PC its in is going to sacrifice it. It's the same argument as upgradable sockets, many people like me, build a whole new rig and the old one gets either sold or off loaded as a whole.

I've always found that if you want to skimp upgrading part by part you never get off the treadmill. I have always been a New PC every 4 years, maybe a graphics card swap mid life depending on the releases (of both games and GPUs)
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I think this depends on what sort of budget your on etc as recycling old parts and just upgrading a MB, CPU or GPU if possible tends to give you the most performance for your money.
 
Curious what difference in performance ddr5 is vs my system. 12600k 3060ti 4000mhz ddr4. HardwareUnboxed results look impressive but I doubt they would be that big a difference at my specs.

Saying that Right now DDR5 is a no brainier. Hopefully increased demand doesn’t screw the prices again.
 
Joxeon said:
I think what you're forgetting is most people that have bought a PC in the last 7 years would likely already have the DDR4.
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So you are going to go to the expense of buying a new CPU, motherboard, cooler and maybe quite a few other bits, but butcher it with seven year old DDR4 ram? Er, OK. And what you end up with is one hugely compromised new build, and a completely broken old build. Not very smart, is it, when £80 would buy you 16GB of 4800 DDR5.
 
"At its Tech Tour event in Israel, Intel confirmed that "Raptor Lake" brings a 15% single-threaded, and 41% multi-threaded performance gain over "Alder Lake." The single-threaded gain is from the higher IPC of the "Raptor Cove" P-core, coupled with its frequency set as high as 5.70 GHz"

Just leaving that there for g53578743388543
 
Joxeon said:
I think what you're forgetting is most people that have bought a PC in the last 7 years would likely already have the DDR4.
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I would have no intention bringing the DDR4 in my current system to next build, I would jump on the DDR5 bandwagon now with the pricing if getting next gen CPU/board I rather go all in

I paid at the time £200 for 32gb 3600 CL16 RGB kit and now see similar price for 2x16GB DDR5 6000 CL32 RGB kit
 
From the outside, look like DLVR made the cut for RPL desktop. Will have to wait for official reveal date to know more.

From patent:

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Journey said:
"At its Tech Tour event in Israel, Intel confirmed that "Raptor Lake" brings a 15% single-threaded, and 41% multi-threaded performance gain over "Alder Lake." The single-threaded gain is from the higher IPC of the "Raptor Cove" P-core, coupled with its frequency set as high as 5.70 GHz"

Just leaving that there for g53578743388543
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Hehe. Looks like they can push the silicon pretty far for the 13th gen, so there this is likely to be designated 'KS'. It's still the same core architecture though, as the 12th gen. I don't doubt that these CPUs will be very fast, but it's not for the likes of plebs such as I, the cost will be horrendous on launch. Consider that the MSRP of the 12900KS was $739 on launch.

Intel has put lots of time and investment into developing Meteor Lake and the 'Intel 4' process, that's what interests me. It looks like 6ghz all core will be the likely goal for Meteor Lake, hopefully without top end cooling. I'd also be interested to see if Intel actually decides to offer a decent upgrade path for their next CPU socket. Hopefully, Zen 5 can catch up in all core clock speed, in terms of marketing, both companies know the psychological affect on consumers of hitting 5/6ghz.

Regarding the 13th gen, this quote was interesting:
"RPL [correction] only exists because MTL wasn't going to be ready on time. RPL dev started 2 yr ago." - Isic Silas, Intel Corp VP of CCG.

Intel must be feeling fairly confident to make this kind of admission.
 
Intels 35w 13700T beats ryzen 5800x in both single and multithread.

The 13700T has the same 8 P cores and 8 E cores as the 13700k, the only difference is the huge reduction in TDP rating and therefore clock speeds. The 13700T has a measly base clock speed of 1.4ghz but can boost to beat the 5800x by 11%

wccftech.com

Intel's 35W Core i7-13700T Raptor Lake CPU Is Faster Than The 105W Ryzen 7 5800X & 125W Core i5-12600K In Leaked Benchmark

New benchmarks of the Intel Core i7-13700T, a 35W Raptor Lake CPU, have leaked out which show impressive performance figures.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
Grim5 said:
Intels 35w 13700T beats ryzen 5800x in both single and multithread.

The 13700T has the same 8 P cores and 8 E cores as the 13700k, the only difference is the huge reduction in TDP rating and therefore clock speeds. The 13700T has a measly base clock speed of 1.4ghz but can boost to beat the 5800x by 11%

wccftech.com

Intel's 35W Core i7-13700T Raptor Lake CPU Is Faster Than The 105W Ryzen 7 5800X & 125W Core i5-12600K In Leaked Benchmark

New benchmarks of the Intel Core i7-13700T, a 35W Raptor Lake CPU, have leaked out which show impressive performance figures.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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If this is true then that's an amazing jump in efficiency.

But 1.4ghz vs 4.9ghz boost is a massive clock speed difference so likely is a much more power hungry chip than suggested.
 
Grim5 said:
Intels 35w 13700T beats ryzen 5800x in both single and multithread.

The 13700T has the same 8 P cores and 8 E cores as the 13700k, the only difference is the huge reduction in TDP rating and therefore clock speeds. The 13700T has a measly base clock speed of 1.4ghz but can boost to beat the 5800x by 11%
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This doesn't actually tell you very much. If you look at the result listing here:

HP - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a HP with an Intel Core i7-13700T processor.
browser.geekbench.com

You can see the max frequency is reported as 4.78Ghz, and there's no indication of any 35w limit being imposed (e.g. 12900T uses ~106w with turbo boost enabled).
But yeah, Golden Cove is fairly efficient when power limited to 125w or 190w. You can use it with an average cooler after all, if prepared to except the shame of lower clocks!

The WCCFTech article repeatedly makes reference to 35w power usage, they are being a bit special.
 
nomadd said:
So you are going to go to the expense of buying a new CPU, motherboard, cooler and maybe quite a few other bits, but butcher it with seven year old DDR4 ram? Er, OK. And what you end up with is one hugely compromised new build, and a completely broken old build. Not very smart, is it, when £80 would buy you 16GB of 4800 DDR5.
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As I said if you just want to splash the cash then it's fine but if you're on a budget even 80 quid can mean the difference between a 12600k or 13600k, a 3060 and 3060ti or a new nvme SSD.
 
Joxeon, it's OK - you can keep DDR4 for as long as you like, but you gotta remember that a lot of people bought DDR4 for cheaps anyway...

Then you've got the early adopters with crappy DDR4 2133 MT/s kit.
 
Based on the Geekbench 5 scores, it looks like the Ryzen 7700X and 13700K are gonna be pretty close in single core performance, comparing the integer and floating point workload scores:

7700X: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/17122041

13700K: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/17106570

7600X ST scores looking competitive too:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/16966070

Worst case, the 7700X will match the 13700 (non K) in single core performance. According to the official specs, the power draw on the 7700X should be significantly lower than the 13700K.

i9s are generally ahead of Zen 4 though, at least in Geekbench 5.
 
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