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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Poneros said:
All in all, not much of a gaming CPU given the price + power consumption. Pretty pathetic effort from Intel tbh, but I guess it was expected since it always looked like a tweaked ADL.
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It's not that bad really, I was expecting the same architecture and fabrication technology. This is basically what we got, but the i9s appear to be using improved silicon to reach upto 6ghz (just 1 core) for the top SKU. Also optimization to the ring cache / E-core config. There seems to be (upto) 1% IPC improvement too, which apparently, Intel did not wish to advertise on their slides :D.

So, there is some benefit for premium CPUs, but for the i7s and i5s, I don't think there will be much in it, except if you care about the extra E-cores. The locked 13700 ought to provide the best value overall. It seems I was correct in thinking that another Golden Cove based generation was a largely unplanned move, that came about as a result of delays to Intel's 7nm CPUs (which is now known as 'Intel 4').

The main problem is that 13th gen unlocked CPUs will undoubtedly use more power than than their 12th gen i7 and i9 counterparts (which already ran very hot if overclocked). When comparing unlocked i9s (with board power unlocked, turbo boost enabled), the 13th gen 13900K uses significantly more power than the 12900K, as shown here:
 
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Grim5 said:
First 13900k review from China

It's worth noting that this review was done with the bios power settings in the unlocked mode, this doesn't change the boost clock behaviour but allows the CPU to use up to 350w if it wishes.

They did a bunch of tests and one gaming test, most tests were workstation type benchmarks and some cinebench rendering thrown in.

The average result was that the 13900k is 10% faster in single thread than the 12900k and in multithread it's 45% faster.

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First review of retail Intel Core i9-13900K "Raptor Lake" CPU emerges - VideoCardz.com

Unlimited Core i9-13900K tested Over at Bilibili, one can find a comprehensive review of a retail version of the Core i9-13900K processor, the flagship Raptor Lake desktop CPU that is supposedly coming out next month. The review is a collaboration between ECSM_Official and OneRaichu, and it is...
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Pretty crazy generational leap!

Really hope AMD is sandbagging and has higher ST stock performance.
 
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It looks like the 13700 is basically a cheaper 12900KS in terms of performance (or very similar):

I think one of the issues with the 13th gen, is that people with a 12700K or 12900K aren't going to see much benefit in performance, unless they buy the super expensive 13900K or 13900KS... But the 13700 looks like a good option for anyone who definitely wants to build an Intel system.
 
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I wonder how many will shelve CPU upgrades now that many have been priced out of GPU upgrades? surely its also going to hit cpu sales.
 
g67575 said:
It looks like the 13700 is basically a cheaper 12900KS in terms of performance (or very similar):

I think one of the issues with the 13th gen, is that people with a 12700K or 12900K aren't going to see much benefit in performance, unless they buy the super expensive 13900K or 13900KS... But the 13700 looks like a good option for anyone who definitely wants to build an Intel system.
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I think that's a good deal, i9 performance from last gen in an i7 this gen. Probably won't be much cheaper £ for £ vs the old generation but the current economic mess isn't Intel's fault.

Joxeon said:
I wonder how many will shelve CPU upgrades now that many have been priced out of GPU upgrades? surely its also going to hit cpu sales.
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Interesting thought, probably quite a few people that were going for i7s might now be looking at i5s etc
 
cfletch said:
I think that's a good deal, i9 performance from last gen in an i7 this gen. Probably won't be much cheaper £ for £ vs the old generation but the current economic mess isn't Intel's fault.
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It is there fault that they won't release the 13700 and other locked CPUs, until Q1 2023.

I'm curious what impact that might have on AMD's Zen 4 prices.
 
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Joxeon said:
I wonder how many will shelve CPU upgrades now that many have been priced out of GPU upgrades? surely its also going to hit cpu sales.
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if you can afford 2000$ for a gpu then you can probably afford 500for a cpu.

infact maybe intel should double the price like Nvidia would
 
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I'm still planning an upgrade but I'm putting a hold on the extras, I had a budget for Mobo,CPU,Ram & GPU plus a wheel and flight sticks.

The wheel and flight sticks are on hold after the cost of the GPU became much higher.
 
A die retail bins finally stating to come forward And not just green sticks.

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Robert896r1 said:
Yeah I saw the TG. You got a confirmation on the GS being adie? They went out of their way to not show spd.

The Oloy’s are 10 layer PCB btw. Lets see what the others end up at.
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Not confirmed no. Sure we will find out soon enough. will be interesting to see pricing on the A die as it releases.
 
Nickolp1974 said:
G.Skill also just released a 6800 c32 kit and Teamgroup have a 7200 kit on an american retailers site, both will be A-die
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Very nice. Assuming 8000MT/s RAM is stable, could be a very worthy upgrade for many.

These use the SK Hynix A-die ICs, I assume? Do we know what voltage they need for 7200 MT/s?
 
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As someone who may wait for DDR5 as I'm currently on alderlake and DDR4 does anyone got an idea on how fast it may potentially get as its jumped from 4x00 - 7200 in about a year.

Will 10000+ kits become something in the future?
 
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