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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

I reckon Zen 4 and 13th gen will be almost identical in gaming with Zen 4 stealing the crown in MT, Prices for 13th gen look good but by the sound of it not much point buying a z790 board over a z690. My guess would be Zen 4 3D winning outright in gaming but honestly at 1440P and above i doubt it makes to much difference what platform you pick for gaming
 
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EastCoastHandle said:
Ah, hold up a minute. Did intel just admit that the 13900k can't beat a 5800x3d in games? Because it sure looks like they are.
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Yep it does, don't tell @Dave2150 he is already talking trash trying to justify Intels ultimate world wide universal inter galactiv supieriority. This graph may break him. Was seeing that the 13900K is drawing 300W + also.
 
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cliffy said:
I reckon Zen 4 and 13th gen will be almost identical in gaming with Zen 4 stealing the crown in MT
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Both of these are false. Let's take MT performance first. What do you mean zen 4 is stealing the crown? 3 out of their 4 skus will get absolutely demolished in MT by raptorlake. Heck, half of them are already losing by alderlake. Only the 7950x will win - and im not entirely sure about that, but it's possible.

When it comes to gaming, tough luck. Only reviewers will find them identical cause they test with same memory - meaning all platforms will have to be run with 6000 ddr5. Real users will be running 7000 to 8000 ddr5 kits on their alderlake and raptorlakes, so yeah, no bueno in that either.
 
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that intel gaming slide didnt look all that looks like its barely beating the 5800x3d and that was the 13900k so the stack below will be slower :confused:
 
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Journey said:
What is a real user then?

Given there is no 7400+ MT/s DDR5 available, that would assume you mean overclocking, so there for a 'real' user can do that on an AMD setup as well. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Hynix a dies are coming up.

Sure you can oc ram kits on amd as well, they just don't see to do anything. Have you actually seen the read / write speeds on teh 7950x? They are atrocious, I was getting better numbers with ddr4 on cometlake.
 
Grim5 said:
Odd pricing, Intel either accepting defeat to Zen4 or just compensating for a dead platform - both scenarios would be odd for Intel
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Which platform are you saying is dead sorry? Just entered the thread and this comment confused me. ( I don't want to buy into a dead platform ).

Is there any news on idle power consumption improvements or changes or will it largely follow Alderlake?
 
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Which platform are you saying is dead sorry? Just entered the thread and this comment confused me. ( I don't want to buy into a dead platform ).
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LGA1700 boards, Raptor Lake will be the last generation on that socket, so the 13900KS will be the fastest you can get. Fine if you only change CPU/system once every 5-6 years or so.
 
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Hynix-A dies are out... and have been for a while. Can you define what a real user is then please?
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In europe? I think it's only available for oems

A real user of let's say an Intel cpu, contrary to a reviewer, doesn't have to run ram speeds that amd can also achieve to benchmark them. For example, in cometlake reviews they used 3600 and 3800 ram because thats the max speed zen 2 and zen 3 could run. An actual user though could use 4400 ram and speed past them in gaming. And the same applies to raptorlake. Do you think a reviewer will dare to run 7200 on one platform and 6000 on the other? Nope
 
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