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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Grim5 said:
And Nvidia's new cards generate frames without the CPU

CPUs becoming more irrelevant to gaming
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Yeah sorry I still don't think that's a good thing. How do you for instance play a competitive shooter if its filling in frames and making them up just to get the FPS counter to go higher? Is the game registering that inserted frame? Does that mean if you shoot someone in that frame it hits them or is it because it's inserted to smooth things out then it doesn't work.

It certainly doesn't make the CPU irrelevant either as it still needs to do loads of data passing for AI in game and such. Daft comment. Maybe hyperbole?
 
The area that Intel can definitely fight in is below the top tier AMD parts.

There's only so many reasons to overpay for mid range performance.

I don't think they can claim any performance crown without asterisks such as *running at 400W all limits removed.
 
Hotwired said:
The area that Intel can definitely fight in is below the top tier AMD parts.

There's only so many reasons to overpay for mid range performance.

I don't think they can claim any performance crown without asterisks such as *running at 400W all limits removed.
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Agree. As a gamer, I'm just looking for the 13400f to be cheap(ish) and decently performant. Hopefully that'll then put pressure on AMD for a 7600 non-X sooner rather than later. I can see (fingers crossed) some pretty sweet combo's from both AMD and Intel in the next six months or so for gamers. Whether the same can be said for GPUs, well.. :(
 
Hotwired said:
The area that Intel can definitely fight in is below the top tier AMD parts.

There's only so many reasons to overpay for mid range performance.

I don't think they can claim any performance crown without asterisks such as *running at 400W all limits removed.
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I expect the 13900K to edge out the gaming performance win by a few % but the other 13th gen k parts are clocked quite a lot lower so may not reach the same highs.

Outside of the 13900K vs 7950X I expect Intel to offer better MT perf/$ and I am interested in how it will scale with power limits.

The non K 13th gen parts will be okay but I expect them to be slower than the AMD parts of course the counter is that they will be cheaper, but at this price point Zen 3 and AM4 + DDR4 will still be a viable option and really these won't move the gaming performance by much if at all vs the 12th gen version. MT will see an uplift though.

Ultimately I see that there are good choices on both sides depending on the exact use case and there does not seem to be an obvious 'this is the objectively best way to go for 70% of use cases' because some parts will be better in gaming but worse in MT, other will be the opposite and small price variances between the CPU and motherboard can make a difference to the value.
 
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Dave2150 said:
Lets all accept something - that it's fantastic that both AMD and Intel are releasing exciting new CPU's that have us all talking. Gone are the days of 5% IPC, same core count. Now we have exciting V-cache, E cores, CCX's, etc etc and each generation seems much more substantial. What a time to be alive!
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Ok own up who hacked Dave2150's OCUK account ????? ;)


@Dave2150 100% agree :D also the other good thing is there are so many chips now to fill everyone's unique need, from workstations to gaming systems.
 
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@Nickolp1974
Auto subs but yeah, Apex back to apex things. To note, TG starting to have A die at 6600 bins so will have to pay close attention to product id’s to determine IC.
 
Robert896r1 said:
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Auto subs but yeah, Apex back to apex things. To note, TG starting to have A die at 6600 bins so will have to pay close attention to product id’s to determine IC.
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Good for the apex to be back, but that means it will probably cost around 1k? It was already way more expensive than the unify X / tachyon, so yeah...is it really worth it?

The cpu ocing was better hands down on the asus, at least at in terms of accessibility, and especially the AI oc got you like 90% of the way there, but still, 300€ extra for a little bit better bios. Ouch
 
Bencher said:
Good for the apex to be back, but that means it will probably cost around 1k? It was already way more expensive than the unify X / tachyon, so yeah...is it really worth it?

The cpu ocing was better hands down on the asus, at least at in terms of accessibility, and especially the AI oc got you like 90% of the way there, but still, 300€ extra for a little bit better bios. Ouch
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Z690 apex was a similar price to the Z690 Hero, I expect the same for Z790, unless they've added new features/fluff. Looking forward to getting one, hopefully we don't have to wait too long!
 
Curlyriff said:
Yeah sorry I still don't think that's a good thing. How do you for instance play a competitive shooter if its filling in frames and making them up just to get the FPS counter to go higher? Is the game registering that inserted frame? Does that mean if you shoot someone in that frame it hits them or is it because it's inserted to smooth things out then it doesn't work.

It certainly doesn't make the CPU irrelevant either as it still needs to do loads of data passing for AI in game and such. Daft comment. Maybe hyperbole?
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It's gimmicky at best and while your fps counter will show 120fps the game will still feel like it's running 60fps.
 
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