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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Robert896r1 said:
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Auto subs but yeah, Apex back to apex things. To note, TG starting to have A die at 6600 bins so will have to pay close attention to product id’s to determine IC.
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That looks awesome and more like it unless it's a cherry picked board??
Bencher said:
Good for the apex to be back, but that means it will probably cost around 1k? It was already way more expensive than the unify X / tachyon, so yeah...is it really worth it?

The cpu ocing was better hands down on the asus, at least at in terms of accessibility, and especially the AI oc got you like 90% of the way there, but still, 300€ extra for a little bit better bios. Ouch
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I'd if thought it would be around the £700 mark unless they increase to try and make up for the losses on z690
Robert896r1 said:
You can get the Msi i790 edge and do what apex does.
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That's good to know, is that on ITX though?? Always preferred Asus bios over all of them.
 
Ayahuasca said:
It's going to be interesting seeing results with some really well-tuned A die.
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A reasonable goal to shoot for on the 13900k: 5.6+ all core HT off, 5.0+ ring, 34/8000 tight mem.

Ecores are much better this time around due to higher clock ceiling, the ring being decoupled so leaving them on won't hurt and in some games, they will scale.
 
Robert896r1 said:
A reasonable goal to shoot for on the 13900k: 5.6+ all core HT off, 5.0+ ring, 34/8000 tight mem.

Ecores are much better this time around due to higher clock ceiling, the ring being decoupled so leaving them on won't hurt and in some games, they will scale.
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Is there any point in ht off? Is that just to achieve better clockspeeds? As far as ive tested ht doenst seem to affect games negatively (besides spiderman)

Currently im running 5.2 with ecores at 4 ghz and cache at 4.4, trying to decide if its better to have ht on or off.
 
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Customer price on the 13600K is $329, $419 for the 13700K

Now, and this is important, nothing is ever straightforward with Intel, they are always manipulating you in some way, in this case the "Customer Price" is not what you pay, the customer in Intel's wording here is not you, its retailer, so you should add 10% to those prices.

The reality is the 13600K to YOU is actually $360, in the UK at current rates that is £387.9, the 13700K is £448.9.

Source, Intel ARC
 
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humbug said:
Customer price on the 13600K is $329, $419 for the 13700K

Now, and this is important, nothing is ever straightforward with Intel, they are always manipulating you in some way, in this case the "Customer Price" is not what you pay, the customer in Intel's wording here is not you, its retailer, so you should add 10% to those prices.

The reality is the 13600K to YOU is actually $360, in the UK at current rates that is £387.9, the 13700K is £448.9.

Source, Intel ARC
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They have them listed higher on site
 
The fact that a 13600kf only costs about 20 quid more than a 7600x yet should provide multitheaded performance above a 7700X seems pretty reasonable to me.
 
SmokSmog said:
13600KF 14c/20t 294$ vs 7600X 6c/12t 300$
13700K 410$ 16c/24t vs 7700X 8c/16t 400$
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For me, the only decent part in the Zen4 lineup is the 7950x and that's if you will use it for productivity first. I'd take 16 full cores over 8+16 anyday if I was doing production workloads primarily with a secondary use for gaming.

At the lower/budget end, my recommend is still reusing ddr4, picking up a Z690 Pro-A or Prime P on a good deal and getting a 13600kf oem/tray. Out of the box it'll be great and you can squeeze a lot out of it with tuning and entire thing will costs you less than $500 for an amazing setup.

13700k over a 13900k in 99% of the use cases is a no brainer as well. Unless you're really into tuning and absolutely want the best silicon for that purpose, a 13900k makes little sense.
 
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humbug said:
Customer price on the 13600K is $329, $419 for the 13700K

Now, and this is important, nothing is ever straightforward with Intel, they are always manipulating you in some way, in this case the "Customer Price" is not what you pay, the customer in Intel's wording here is not you, its retailer, so you should add 10% to those prices.

The reality is the 13600K to YOU is actually $360, in the UK at current rates that is £387.9, the 13700K is £448.9.

Source, Intel ARC
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You sound panicked? Lets hope the CPU's are as cheap as possible, for both the AMD and Intel options, works out best for everyone!

Same goes with motherboards - lots of good Z690 boards for a very cheap price, hopefully AMD will release some below £300 soon for AM5!
 
How many people here really care about pure MT though? Like if you're a pro and need it for work then just get a Threadripper. I don't get the context where this MT argument makes sense below a 7950x or 13900k tbh.

I'd also want the 8 core though, and disable the e-cores (maybe also SMT on occasion). Just squeeze pure gaming performance out of it. Wonder if vcache can change it but I have some old games where Intel is still king so RPL remains in the lead for now.
 
Gibbo said:
TeamGroup 7200MHz C34 and 6000MHz C30 kits arriving next week. :)
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Awesome news. Now, about the price? :)

Just wondering if it's worth buying these on an AM5 system, wonder if the 7200 MT/s kits will ever be supported on current x670 boards?
 
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