RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

Darujhistan · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:12

Joxeon said:
I don't think £1000 is giving away but rather a fair price for a top end card that is likely to be quite a bit cheaper to produce than the 4090 which I'd already consider to be about £500 overpriced.

I agree, however if NV is selling their card for £1700-£2200, why shoyld AMD sell their for £1000?

varkanoid · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:15

arknor said:
RT seems to be the new buzzword now AI is falling out of use

Meta is the new buzzword and I hate it with a vengeance.

stooeh · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:15

No I want AMD to release a card with decent performance and price so I can buy it, if they are making good margins on said card then they are not giving it away. If they cannot make such card because it is simply too expensive to make then I am out of luck I guess as I don't see the value in current Nvidia options.

Darujhistan · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:16

Nexus18 said:
Because they don't offer as complete or rather as compelling of an "overall" package that nvidia do...... At least that was the case for previous gens, maybe RDNA 3 will be different, time will tell.....

Problem is the cost of living, everyone is cutting back, even for your daily "needed" items, enthusiasts with no such issue will happily throw money at said product if it is good, just look at how well the 4090 is selling despite its price.... amd know people/its fan base will be willing to also pay them kind of prices.

I diagree, I don't give a toss about RT etc and even if you do none of that represents a price differfential of 40%..in addition to this AMD aren't selling 2 grand cards with inadequate fire-hazard cabling are they?

The cost of living crisis isn't an AMD problem, that's totally irelevant.

Purgatory · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:17

Twinz said:
Between the 4090 coil whine thread and cable roulette, my interest in the 4090 has dropped from "sort-of-want" to "Let's see what AMD can do."

Funny you said that.. I have gone from ohh cool can update the HTPC (main gaming pc) to damn coil whine in a room I tried to make sure sound is controlled to well I will find one that won't whine to... damn they can melt power connectors... to they will fix that too.... look at the stupid AIB prices and well these won't sell and come down quickly... to I really can't be bothered with all this and just wait for 5000 series or AMD 7900 and see what they are doing. But getting the feeling this will end with I'm out fully unless they fire sell them at what I consider a sensible price at the time.

It's all got too daft now and the 4080 pricing has really rubbed me up the wrong way too as all that will do in time is make the 4090 prices go up as they know and a silly trick they are playing, ohh look $1600 4090 and 4080 $1200 but one is half the cores almost .. Then slowly the price creep on the 4090 to look at it now it's really $2000k+ card... seems they didn't want to stick $2k on it like the 3090ti but will make it $2k by drip feeding FE cards and AIB cards go up.. But they didn't learn from the 3090ti that people are not willing to pay that price and as we see 4090s at these prices are sat on shelves at retailers and honestly that's where they belong until prices come down to more realistic levels.

Darujhistan · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:18

stooeh said:
No I want AMD to release a card with decent performance and price so I can buy it, if they are making good margins on said card then they are not giving it away. If they cannot make such card because it is simply too expensive to make then I am out of luck I guess as I don't see the value in current Nvidia options.

Again, no-one can tell me why AMD as a business should price their cards substantially cheaper than NV...(other than of course "because I wantg them too")...

TNA · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:20

Joxeon said:
I don't think £1000 is giving away but rather a fair price for a top end card that is likely to be quite a bit cheaper to produce than the 4090 which I'd already consider to be about £500 overpriced.

Waste of time. All he see’s poor AMD, people like Nvidia more wah wah. Who cares. These companies are not our friends. If AMD want my money they can stop worrying about what Nvidia are doing and charge sane prices for their cards like they used to. I think at one point I had only AMD cards for like 3-4 gens as they were competitively priced back then.

Just imagine had AMD applied his giving it away logic to the Ryzen line. We would be still on 4/6 core CPU’s and 12 cores would be $2000 or something, because you know, why should they be giving it away no? What a load of nonsense :cry:

stooeh · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:22

Darujhistan said:
Again, no-one can tell me why AMD as a business should price their cards substantially cheaper than NV...(other than of course "because I wantg them too")...

So they can sell them to more than just fanbois

Darujhistan · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:23

TNA said:
Waste of time. All he see’s poor AMD, people like Nvidia more wah wah. Who cares. These companies are not our friends. If AMD want my money they can stop worrying about what Nvidia are doing and charge sane prices for their cards like they used to. I think at one point I had only AMD cards for like 3-4 gens as they were competitively priced back then.

Just imagine had AMD applied his giving it away logic to the Ryzen line. We would be still on 4/6 core CPU’s and 12 cores would be $2000 or something, because you know, why should they be giving it away no? What a load of nonsense

So why shouldn't NV be charging the prices you want?

Darujhistan · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:23

stooeh said:
So they can sell them to more than just fanbois

That's terrible business logic. I'm looking at this from AMD's viewpoint, not sure why everyone's panties are in a bunch but hey ho...

uscool · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:24

Darujhistan said:
I agree, however if NV is selling their card for £1700-£2200, why shoyld AMD sell their for £1000?

last time out I went for the 3080FE because of the better RT performance , 3080fe was £650 and 6800xt £599.99 saying that I couldnt buy the 6800xt ref for that price because AMD dont do anything for UK and Nvidia did but ignoring that I still would have paid the £50 difference for better RT performance and at the time DLSS when AMD still didnt have anything

I'll be looking with interest where the 7800xt stands, no chance I'll be willing to pay £1269 for the 4080 16gb

TNA · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:25

Darujhistan said:
So why shouldn't NV be charging the prices you want?

Why are you hung up on this? Who has said otherwise? You make it sound like people here arguing with you are happy with Nvidia’s prices? I know I am not. Told you already, I am not touching Ada, way overpriced.

Darujhistan · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:29

uscool said:
last time out I went for the 3080FE because of the better RT performance , 3080fe was £650 and 6800xt £599.99 saying that I couldnt buy the 6800xt ref for that price because AMD dont do anything for UK and Nvidia did but ignoring that I still would have paid the £50 difference for better RT performance and at the time DLSS when AMD still didnt have anything

I'll be looking with interest where the 7800xt stands, no chance I'll be willing to pay £1269 for the 4080 16gb

All of which has nothing to do why AMD should be offering cards 40% cheaper which was initial claim that started this whole debate...

I too want it about £1000 and within 10-15% of the 4090. Post 2110.

stooeh · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:29

Darujhistan said:
That's terrible business logic.

I can see from a certain financial pov why AMD might want to stick close to NV prices but to me it looks like they would be just showing they are happy with the current status quo regarding market share. They could undercut for example and provoke a price cut by NV and end up selling a similar amount of cards anyway but at a lower margin

But atm Nvidia have released prices and they are too high essentially for me to consider and AMD have yet to hence why I am just speculating on what could happen. I think they will be closer to NV prices in truth which will result in my skipping a gen but I can but hope

Haggisman · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:31

Nexus18 said:
Problem is the cost of living, everyone is cutting back, even for your daily "needed" items, enthusiasts with no such issue will happily throw money at said product if it is good, just look at how well the 4090 is selling despite its price.... amd know people/its fan base will be willing to also pay them kind of prices.

Absolutely, but this will be exponentially worse the higher the price. At £1k+, there's absolutely no way I'll be buying any card. At £800 I'd be interested. At £600 it would be a day 1 purchase for me assuming a respectable increase in performance over my RX6800.

I doubt I'm unique in my position - obviously people will have their own ££ thresholds - but the lower the price, the more and more people will fall into the "shut up and take my money" group. Taken to the logical extremes, if they were selling the 7900XT for £100 then they would sell millions, if they were selling it for £100k they would sell none* - somewhere in the middle of those 2 extremes is the total maximum profit, and it's not necessarily at the same point as the maximum profit per card.

Darujhistan said:
I agree, however if NV is selling their card for £1700-£2200, why shoyld AMD sell their for £1000?

Darujhistan said:
Again, no-one can tell me why AMD as a business should price their cards substantially cheaper than NV...(other than of course "because I wantg them too")...

Because they might actually make more money that way.

* actually, I'm sure there would be some lunatic somewhere who would buy one, just because :cry:

KompuKare · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:31

~4 more days and we should have some real info even if late in Pacific time is a bad time of day of us.

In the meantime... Unless AMD have an answer for DLSS 3.0's fake frames I'm staying away: I love fake frames so much I sometimes run my games with the monitor off when I get 1,000 Emperor's New Clothes Frames-per-second!

Darujhistan · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:32

stooeh said:
I can see from a certain financial pov why AMD might want to stick close to NV prices but to me it looks like they would be just showing they are happy with the current status quo regarding market share. They could undercut for example and provoke a price cut by NV and end up selling a similar amount of cards anyway but at a lower margin

But atm Nvidia have released prices and they are too high essentially for me to consider and AMD have yet to hence why I am just speculating on what could happen. I think they will be closer to NV prices in truth which will result in my skipping a gen but I can but hope

I think are happy with current market share in this sector when taking their entire business as a whole. To clear things up ALL GPU pricing is a rip off, but why should AMD offer massive discounts vs NV?

Nothing wrong whith hope

Darujhistan · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:33

Haggisman said:
Absolutely, but this will be exponentially worse the higher the price. At £1k+, there's absolutely no way I'll be buying any card. At £800 I'd be interested. At £600 it would be a day 1 purchase for me assuming a respectable increase in performance over my RX6800.

I doubt I'm unique in my position - obviously people will have their own ££ thresholds - but the lower the price, the more and more people will fall into the "shut up and take my money" group. Taken to the logical extremes, if they were selling the 7900XT for £100 then they would sell millions, if they were selling it for £100k they would sell none* - somewhere in the middle of those 2 extremes is the total maximum profit, and it's not necessarily at the same point as the maximum profit per card.

Because they might actually make more money that way.

Yeah they're really struggling for $$$$.

uscool · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:33

Darujhistan said:
All of which has nothing to do why AMD should be offering cards 40% cheaper which was initial claim that started this whole debate...

I too want it about £1000 and within 10-15% of the 4090. Post 2110.

hehe I know I agree no need to get stressed what people say on the internet

Joxeon · 31 Oct 2022 at 11:33

Darujhistan said:
I agree, however if NV is selling their card for £1700-£2200, why shoyld AMD sell their for £1000?

Ultimately that's up to AMD but if they do decide to price higher then why should I buy one?

Given that my last 3 cards have been nvidia then I'm exactly the sort of customer AMD needs to attract if they want to gain marketshare / mindshare. I've already ruled out nvidia this time due to the absurd pricing so it's even easier for me to rule out AMD as well if they follow suit with daft pricing of their own as I don't even have any experience with their recent RDNA products so for me it would be taking a gamble on their product and I'm not willing to gamble over 1k.