RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[uscool]

ok so daft question. How do we go about buying these? I ask, because I was watching the 4090 and every site had a "coming soon" button rather than a buy one. Then all of a sudden people were posting that they had them? What's the trick?

Usually up at 2pm on release day and have tabs open of few retailers

Or for Nvidia Fe cards sign up for alerts when stock drops

If any good and priced good I want the reference card but AMD probably still won't for UK, maybe retailers will have them

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Hardly arguing, just seems a dumb terminology given green jacket man went on stage a few years back and spent the better part of 2 hours rubbing his rhubarb about ray tracing and as far as i can recall not once was audio mentioned. Ever since that thats what most people associate ray tracing with, lighting, not sound,.

TBH I don't have a problem with the conversation/discussion (I can see how each side reached their viewpoint), I just thought it was funny observation. Though Lisa has been kind enough to relieve our boredem with pictures of the GPU.

AMD Radeon RX 7900 graphics card has been pictured, two 8-pin power connectors confirmed - VideoCardz.com

AMD Radeon 7900 pictured The pictures were posted by @9550pro who claims to have them from a closed QQ chat group. The card is clearly a prototype, with a red board design and voltage contact points in some places. What is clear though is that this design matches what AMD has been teasing in...

videocardz.com

Can anyone confirm if the 5700xt reference model is longer than the 6800/6900xt reference model?

 

[glenimp617]

Usually up at 2pm on release day and have tabs open of few retailers

Or for Nvidia Fe cards sign up for alerts when stock drops

If any good and priced good I want the reference card but AMD probably still won't for UK, maybe retailers will have them

Thanks mate, so the sites do actually show a buy button? I didn't know if I needed to learn a secret handshake or something.

The more I look into these AMD cards (not had one in years) the more I like them. 2x8pin 350w TDP lots of memory.....think I can keep my existing PSU as well

 

[Nexus18]

maybe retailers will have them

Pretty much confirmed by gibbo, amd won't be giving 2 ***** about the uk getting reference, at least from ocuk anyway....

AMD only let us sell reference cards so far when they need help moving slow stock, hence the 6950 and 6750 we currently have at good price, both are nearly sold out and we took the last remaining stocks at the time, AMD have not been in touch offering more.

AMD tend to keep reference cards in the UK only for special projects and corporate customers, they don't seem interested in offering them to consumers generally and as can be seen they are not even remotely close to the MSRP because in these modern times MSRP's seem to only be for the first handful of product sold and normally done via a rebate or towards the end of a products life cycle or something very positive happens like the pound has a huge recovery, the latter could happen if the new and current PM is actually any good.

Suspect we will see close to msrp for pre-order price then once available, as per usual, watch prices sky rocket.




New cad looks good, good thing is the size, do wish they were more like the FE in terms of cooling though i.e. dumping more heat outside the case rather than blower style where heat just gets dumped in the case, if I go RDNA 3 this time, suspect my CPU temps will rise by 5/10 degrees again

 

[BigBANGtheory]

ok so daft question. How do we go about buying these? I ask, because I was watching the 4090 and every site had a "coming soon" button rather than a buy one. Then all of a sudden people were posting that they had them? What's the trick?

You have to wait til the AIB models fill the retail stock either at release or just accept it could take 2months post release date.

Traditionally Sapphire and Powercolour make better GPUs out of the AMD products, but it could be AMD Founders are top class this release we simply don't know cos AMD won't tell us.

 

[Jacky60]

Perhaps it's a nonsense but could there possibly be price fixing going on?

Of course but it's completely evidence free. It's simply a chat in a bar between key individuals with no paper trail and impossible to prove. It's how big business works. Cartels operate in a similar fashion although much of this is impossible to prove without the individuals responsible shopping themselves. In a business worth Billions they'd be daft not to.

 

[Besty]

Reference looks like a 350 Watt card then. No problem with that.

Performance will probably land somewhere between a 4080 and a 4090 depending on title for the XTX.

 

[Troezar]

Of course but it's completely evidence free. It's simply a chat in a bar between key individuals with no paper trail and impossible to prove. It's how big business works. Cartels operate in a similar fashion although much of this is impossible to prove without the individuals responsible shopping themselves. In a business worth Billions they'd be daft not to.

Probably even easier than that with two players. Just match your competitors pricing, don't try to undercut, don't compete. All totally legal.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Say hello to the 7900XTX/7900xt

Yeah so they were manufactured already with no new pin config.

 

[Jacky60]

So those who havn't yet bought a new gen card what would you're requirements be to go AMD this time.

For me if the top card is around the £1000 mark it will be a day one for me as long as it's within 10% of a 4090 (i don't care about Raytracing so it's not a decider for me) Would love for it to be around that price, but with the 4090 starting at £1600 I worry that the starting price would be around £1300 i don't think that would be comperative enough for me to be willing to go team red. At that price I would more be looking at the 2nd from top card, at that point it would probably be a toss up between the 7900xt/7800 and a 3090ti.

Weird generation this time, while very powerful so many are priced out of the cards so the previous generation are looking very very attractive.

I too want it about £1000 and within 10-15% of the 4090. The 4090 can't even run today's new games fully maxed out at 4K 60fps with max RT so I don't want to be spending much more than £1000. I've had loads of AMD cards in the past but none since my 295x2 Quadfire setup. If AMD are going to price their card £50-£100 less than the 4090 with poorer RT then I'm going to go Nvidia. AMD need to take a leaf out of the old ATI book and use the 9700 as a template for success. Quite a bit faster at a lower price is a very compelling offer as is quite a bit cheaper at the same performance. That's how you build mindshare and a positive market presence. Huawei have done it in the phone market and while I wouldn't want AMD to trash their brand they need to build market share.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The 4090 can't even run today's new games fully maxed out at 4K 60fps with max RT

 

[Troezar]

Lol Mongrels was a good series

 

[Jacky60]

Star Citizen has really good audio, i hear a ship in 3D space i turn to look to exactly where it is by instinct, this from a 2 speaker headset, no matter where it is.

I don't know how you get all axis directional audio so good your brain knows where it is as if in the real world through a stereo headset, but it works.

That makes what kind of sense? Yes audio where there's an atmosphere or medium to propagate it in but ludicrous in space.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

That makes what kind of sense? Yes audio where there's an atmosphere or medium to propagate it in but ludicrous in space.

Most people do not have experience with true silence, so it would probably break the immersion if films and games in space had no sound.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Star Citizen has really good audio, i hear a ship in 3D space i turn to look to exactly where it is by instinct, this from a 2 speaker headset, no matter where it is.

I don't know how you get all axis directional audio so good your brain knows where it is as if in the real world through a stereo headset, but it works.

The shape of our ears alters the sound depending on which direction it is coming from, there is also the difference in timing between the sound arriving at your ears. If your processing system is advanced enough you can simulate these items to achieve "true" 3D audio surround, with only two speakers.

Some examples of this, on youtube
There is a barber video that simulates clippers going round your head, as if you are gettring a haircut. It works very well.
You can get songs that have "9D" audio. It is a stupid buzzword but listening to it with headphones, it is like you have a speaker moving around you while playing the song.

 

[Darujhistan]

I too want it about £1000 and within 10-15% of the 4090. The 4090 can't even run today's new games fully maxed out at 4K 60fps with max RT so I don't want to be spending much more than £1000. I've had loads of AMD cards in the past but none since my 295x2 Quadfire setup. If AMD are going to price their card £50-£100 less than the 4090 with poorer RT then I'm going to go Nvidia. AMD need to take a leaf out of the old ATI book and use the 9700 as a template for success. Quite a bit faster at a lower price is a very compelling offer as is quite a bit cheaper at the same performance. That's how you build mindshare and a positive market presence. Huawei have done it in the phone market and while I wouldn't want AMD to trash their brand they need to build market share.

So within 10-15% perfomance but 40% cheaper for the FE more for AIB models...

Yep here we go again, "I'll buy AMD if they're giving cards away".

 

[Twinz]

So within 10-15% perfomance but 40% cheaper for the FE more for AIB models...

Yep here we go again, "I'll buy AMD if they're giving cards away".

"Giving the cards away" you say?

After watching the 3090Ti price drop like a stone, it should be obvious that there is a LOT of margin in the high end cards.

Decent pricing doesn't automatically mean they are "giving it away".

The marketing must be working really well to distort perception so much.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yep here we go again, "I'll buy AMD if they're giving cards away".

Been on this since the vega days where at least the nvidia mindshare had the crux point of AMD not being competitive. Since RDNA2 the twist (considering they are quite competitive now) just shifts to if AMD were competitive then my nvidia card can be cheaper. Unless genuine neutrals start voting with the wallet nvidia will have seen in 2022 no concern with their actions and laugh on knowing the gamer is going to pay anything for their product. Sadly it is down to AMD this gen to price way more than the current £50 cheaper to their tier and make the budget decision easier for the regular punter.

 

[Darujhistan]

Been on this since the vega days where at least the nvidia mindshare had the crux point of AMD not being competitive. Since RDNA2 the twist (considering they are quite competitive now) just shifts to if AMD were competitive then my nvidia card can be cheaper. Unless genuine neutrals start voting with the wallet nvidia will have seen in 2022 no concern with their actions and laugh on knowing the gamer is going to pay anything for their product. Sadly it is down to AMD this gen to price way more than the current £50 cheaper to their tier and make the budget decision easier for the regular punter.

They're not going to give cards away to win over a few people who want 40% off before they might think about buying AMD.

 

[Nexus18]

Yes because if said competitor doesn't offer a similar/as good of a package as the competing product, we should all buy the inferior option costing in the same bracket because remember...... we must support the charity *worth billions..... makes perfect sense

Don't know why people find that so hard to grasp, if a product can't compete in whatever way, be that upscaling tech, streaming tech, cuda, RT, FG or whatever then said product has to be priced in such a way to factor that in otherwise why pay much the same when you have an option which does better in those areas....

If amd are going to charge in the same tier as nvidia then they have to also be matching what nvidia offers, if you don't care for RT, cuda, dlss or whatever then that's your choice/preference, don't expect everyone to have the same priorities as you....

So far, RDNA 3 looks like it will be similar to rdna 2 in the sense, it will excel in raster. and power efficiency for only raster workloads but they may still be lacking in RT and FSR somewhat but even if improved to be better than ampere RT, that's a good thing but only if priced appropriately, which means not being £50 cheaper than their competition, when spending £1000+, an extra £50 is nothing.....