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Between the 4090 coil whine thread and cable roulette, my interest in the 4090 has dropped from "sort-of-want" to "Let's see what AMD can do."
 
Darujhistan said:
So within 10-15% perfomance but 40% cheaper for the FE more for AIB models...

Yep here we go again, "I'll buy AMD if they're giving cards away".

:D
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Why though? How do you know AMD would be giving them away? Just because Nvidia want to charge silly money does that mean AMD should always be happy to just undercut them by $100 (relative to performance) and be done with it? They will never increase their market share like that.

Say Nvidia make the 5090 and want $4999 in a few years and AMD can make a card that is within 10-15% and charge $1499 while making the margins they traditionally would, do you think they should charge $4500 or they are giving it away?

If they are able to hit the margins they want and achieve that while being within 10-15% performance for much cheaper than the 4090 then they should do so. They surely would gain a lot of market share if they did assuming they could keep up with demand.

We can’t be saying Nvidia is milking us with their silly prices and then when sensible prices are mentioned turn around and say AMD would be giving them away etc etc…
 
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Twinz said:
"Giving the cards away" you say?

After watching the 3090Ti price drop like a stone, it should be obvious that there is a LOT of margin in the high end cards.

Decent pricing doesn't automatically mean they are "giving it away".

The marketing must be working really well to distort perception so much.
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We're clearly discussing the 4090 vs the not-yet-released AMD alternative and what it would take for someone to buy one, not whether there's huge margins built in (we already know there is the GPU market is a total scam)...

My perception hasn't been distorted at all I've been all over the GPU scam for years - read my sig.
 
TNA said:
Why though? How do you know AMD would AMD be giving them away? Just because Nvidia want to charge silly money does that mean AMD should always be happy to just undercut them by $100 (relative to performance) and be done with it? They will never increase their market share like that.

Say Nvidia make the 5090 and want $4999 in a few years and AMD can make a card that is within 10-15% and charge $1499 while making the margins they traditionally would, do you think they should charge $4500 or they are giving it away?

If they are able to hit the margins they want and achieve that while being within 10-15% performance for much cheaper than the 4090 then they should do so. They surely would gain a lot of market share if they did assuming they could keep up with demand.

We can’t be saying Nvidia is milking us with their silly prices and then when sensible prices are mentioned turn around and say AMD would be giving them away etc etc…
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So you think a 40% cheaper card to within 10-15% if its rival is not "giving the card away"?

Ok then.
 
Darujhistan said:
We're clearly discussing the 4090 vs the not-yet-released AMD alternative and what it would take for someone to buy one, not whether there's huge margins built in (we already know there is the GPU market is a total scam)...

My perception hasn't been distorted at all I've been all over the GPU scam for years - read my sig.
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Why say "giving them away" then?
 
Thing is like the rest of the tech industry, amd will be facing far less demand in the gpu space too so they may not be selling in high quantities which will mean having to make more per a gpu sold i.e. higher margins required, like nvidia, they got a taste of it over the past 2-3 years and shareholders won't want to lose the kind of profits they were seeing, especially if amd have limited stock, which is looking possible given the December launch date and rest of the gpus next year.....

Look at what has happened with amds ryzen 7xxx series......

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Yea, just ignore the rest of what I said. ok then… :p
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Pretty common theme for this sub-forum :cry: I await the "nvidian" post...... :o
 
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Twinz said:
Yes. "Giving" something "away" implies low or no margins. Beating your competition is, well, "competing".
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I think charging a bargain bin price for a very good product vs your rivals is giving your card away - yes.

That'll be why people are paid huge salaries are paid huge salaries by corps around the world to make huge profits. They don't give their products away...

;)
 
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TNA said:
So is your giving it away nonsense though. You know nothing about their margins. You complain gpu prices are silly on one hand and then when someone proposes something more realistic you say AMD would be giving them away.. If that ain’t nonsense I don’t know what is :cry::p:D
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But you know, about their margins I suppose? :cry:

It's not realistic for them as a business though is it? So put away your childish notions of AMD coming in to save the day with cheapo GPU's because they're not going to, and neither should they.

Why aren't you asking NV to make their GPU's 40% cheaper?
 
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Darujhistan said:
I think charging a bargain bin price for a very good product vs your rivals is giving your card away - yes.

That'll be why people are paid huge salaries are paid huge salaries by corps around the world to make huge profits. They don't give their products away...

;)
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The issue is that your definition of "bargin bin" seems to have been greatly distorted.

It seems that all that is required to be a "bargin" to you is that a competitor is taking the **** with their pricing.
 
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Darujhistan said:
It's not realistic for them as a business though is it? So put away your chilsih notions of AMD coming in to save the day with cheapo GPU's because they're not going to, and neither should they.

Why aren't you asking NV to make their GPU's 40% cheaper?
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I think many are. Most have said their 4000 series is way too expensive. Just look at the 4080 prices. I am sure even reviewers will be slating that. I won’t be touching Ada, way over priced.


Twinz said:
The issue is that your definition of "bargin bin" seems to have been greatly distorted.

It seems that all that is required to be a "bargin" to you is that a competitor is taking the **** with their pricing.
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Exactly. Makes no sense :p
 
Twinz said:
The issue is that your definition of "bargin bin" seems to have been greatly distorted.

It seems that all that is required to be a "bargin" to you is that a competitor is taking the **** with their pricing.
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No, the issue is people want AMD to give away their GPU's to force NV to lower prices, so they can buy NV cards cheaper...same as it ever was...

Somehow AMD have to offer a 40% discount on a very competitive product...

Why is that?

:)
 
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Twinz said:
The issue is that your definition of "bargin bin" seems to have been greatly distorted.

It seems that all that is required to be a "bargin" to you is that a competitor is taking the **** with their pricing.
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Obviously it is "bargain bin" in relation to it's competitors product, I would hardly have thought that need explaining mind you...

:D
 
Nexus18 said:
Thing is like the rest of the tech industry, amd will be facing far less demand in the gpu space too so they may not be selling in high quantities which will mean having to make more per a gpu sold i.e. higher margins required, like nvidia, they got a taste of it over the past 2-3 years and shareholders won't want to lose the kind of profits they were seeing, especially if amd have limited stock, which is looking possible given the December launch date and rest of the gpus next year.....
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That ignores the fact they'd have significantly higher demand* if the pricing was more reasonable - made up figures for example, but if a card costs £400 to make, is it better to sell 10 at £1400 or 50 at £800?


* of course if stock is constrained (whether artificially or not), then that is irrelevant.
 
Darujhistan said:
No, the issue is people want AMD to give away their GPU's to force NV to lower prices, so they can buy NV cards cheaper...same as it ever was...

Somehow AMD have to offer a 40% discount on a very competitive product...

Why is that?

:)
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Because they don't offer as complete or rather as compelling of an "overall" package that nvidia do...... At least that was the case for previous gens, maybe RDNA 3 will be different, time will tell.....

Haggisman said:
That ignores the fact they'd have significantly higher demand* if the pricing was more reasonable - made up figures for example, but if a card costs £400 to make, is it better to sell 10 at £1400 or 50 at £800?


* of course if stock is constrained (whether artificially or not), then that is irrelevant.
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Problem is the cost of living, everyone is cutting back, even for your daily "needed" items, enthusiasts with no such issue will happily throw money at said product if it is good, just look at how well the 4090 is selling despite its price.... amd know people/its fan base will be willing to also pay them kind of prices.
 
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