RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

DDH · 2 Nov 2022 at 12:56

Juvenal said:
What’s giving me pause is this: I can’t work out why, if AMD have a part that is within spitting distance of the 4090 on raw performance, they have let NVidia run rampant in the halo segment for 6 weeks and hoover up the early adopters without any significant competition. Which leads to the idea that they don’t have such a part.

But I suppose we find out in 36 hours or less either way…

I guess it just comes down to they have a timeline and will stick too it. Nvidia only have the 4090 available right now at an astronomical price. All market data points to a small % of users who buy such halo cards, and 1500usd is pricey even for a halo graphics card.

408016 isnt available yet and its possible AMD tomorrow show better performance for less money which will entice people to wait

Purgatory · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:04

TNA said:
For £100 extra why not?

Also if you was not interested in playing FC6 (like most) you did not miss out on anything in the mean time either

He paid too much... :cry:

He wasn't quick enough yesterday to get a ASUS STRIX 3090 OC for £615inc on the MM ... I hope the seller doesn't wake up today with a hangover and realise his mistake... :rolleyes:

Poneros · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:06

Twinz said:
If the architecture is actually chiplet-based, I would consider that much more than an "iterative" change.

That's true from a manufacturing point of view, but I was thinking in terms of actual results for the gamer. Even architecturally, they're not really changing it in that way (in terms of occupancy, cache, additional core-types etc.), more-so how they're assembling it. When I look at it I just see a wider, bigger RDNA 2. It remains to be seen if they'll surprise us with anything meaningful, at least on the RT side.

Purgatory said:
Even the 13900k is not really better than the 7950x.. It uses 1/3 more power than the 7950x to just beat it by a single % in most cases and looses just as many..

The 7950x gets trounced by the 13900K in gaming. Particularly in the titles that need performance the most. AMD has clearly separated their CPUs into 2 now, the ones that can really game (with v-cache), and the ones that can sorta do it but aren't ideal (everything else). It's a clear result of their data-center first approach to CPU design, which is fine. I don't see why they shouldn't take the RDNA/CDNA approach with CPUs too, but they're still decidedly behind Intel on the gaming front right now. Hopefully Zen 4 3D will remedy that situation.

gpuerrilla · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:07

Chuk_Chuk said:
A company's release timeline isn't too flexible. You can't just bring things forward without causing problems.

Also 6 weeks isn't that long considering these cards will be around for the next 2 years.

Quite deluded how some people think lol. Its been quite a few years since AMD released before nvidia, but they once did.

KompuKare · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:09

Purgatory said:
Not true, he's a real tech enthusiast and even given AMD his mind ..

Also you have no idea what you are talking about, you sound like the people that took the micky out of Ryzen and look where we are today...

Even the 13900k is not really better than the 7950x.. It uses 1/3 more power than the 7950x to just beat it by a single % in most cases and looses just as many..

It fails for me the 13900k because on a now dead platform and the power use compared to 7950x on AM5 and even the 7950x uses too much power for my liking ...

Check this.. it has become a war of brute force and extreme power levels.

Anyone followed anything about the very very very late Xeon Sapphire Rapids?

Intel's first new Xeon in years uses...

Well "glued" together chiplets!

Guess a bit of humble pie is order, or will the glued yibe be like what happened with "AVX512 will make Intel unbeatable" and be quietly forgotten?

TNA · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:11

Purgatory said:
He paid too much... He wasn't quick enough yesterday to get a ASUS STRIX 3090 OC for £615inc on the MM ... I hope the seller doesn't wake up today with a hangover and realise his mistake...

At least from a friend though you know for sure the warranty will be rock solid

I should pick up a 3090 next on the cheap and make a thread saying 12GB is not enough for the lols. Could easily sell what I have for £575 which is what I paid :cry:

Who knows though, AMD may surprise us and push used prices of these cards down further. Your 3090 might end up being worth under £500 soon :cry:

DDH · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:13

gpuerrilla said:
Quite deluded how some people think lol. Its been quite a few years since AMD released before nvidia, but they once did.

Its quite simple, AMD held off launching before the 4090 so they could use the 4090 in their charts showing it getting **** on. Bonus points for a picture of the fire the 4090 started in their labs too

gpuerrilla · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:15

AMD can only control what they are producing. I very much doubt they can accelerate the roadmap just because a few enthusiasts want them to launch at the same time as nvidia..

kieran_read · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:18

Actually kind of excited for tomorrow potentially some really good reveals.

My only hope is they don't follow Nvidia with insane pricing. But of the top card is at £1000 I will pre-order that immediately and before the reviews. Haha

Purgatory · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:19

KompuKare said:
Anyone followed anything about the very very very late Xeon Sapphire Rapids?

Intel's first new Xeon in years uses...

Well "glued" together chiplets!

Guess a bit of humble pie is order, or will the glued yibe be like what happened with "AVX512 will make Intel unbeatable" and be quietly forgotten?

Intel tiles they are called.

Intel Shows Off Tile-Based Meteor Lake, Ponte Vecchio CPUs at Vision Event

At this week's Intel Vision the company had some celebrity silicon on-hand to show off.

www.extremetech.com

DDH · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:20

humbug said:
The 4090 is 75% faster than the 6900XT at 4K. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/32.html

Add 50% to PPW the 6900XT takes it from 57% to 85.5%, the extra 50 watts is 17%, add that to the 85.5% you get exactly 100% of the RTX 4090 at 350 watts.

Its almost too perfect, i think trading blows is accurate.

You're right, i factored in 2x instead of 1.5

Still, thats at 50%. 55% would net an 80% uplift, looking forward to how quiet this thread gets when all the nvidia fanboys **** off back to the 4090 fire starter thread tomorrow

kieran_read · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:25

DDH said:
You're right, i factored in 2x instead of 1.5

Still, thats at 50%. 55% would net an 80% uplift, looking forward to how quiet this thread gets when all the nvidia fanboys **** off back to the 4090 fire starter thread tomorrow

Ultimately speaking it's all irrelevant Nvidia are not even competing in the SUB £1000 market this generation (at the moment anyway), AMD only needs one or two modern cards which in theory even if they can't compete at the top with the 4090 would destroy the 3000 series.

Consider most will pay under 1k they could gain some serious market share if prices right.

Nexus18 · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:25

I can't remember rDNA 2 but could we preorder for it? Or will we have to wait until launch day in December?

DDH · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:28

No preorders for rdna2 I'm pretty sure. Same this time too I would guess, just wait till launch and be disappointed when bots beat you out

kieran_read · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:28

Nexus18 said:
I can't remember rDNA 2 but could we preorder for it? Or will we have to wait until launch day in December?

Maybe Gibbo can make some exceptions for us forum users

Besty · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:30

Juvenal said:
What’s giving me pause is this: I can’t work out why, if AMD have a part that is within spitting distance of the 4090 on raw performance, they have let NVidia run rampant in the halo segment for 6 weeks and hoover up the early adopters without any significant competition. Which leads to the idea that they don’t have such a part.

But I suppose we find out in 36 hours or less either way…

Nvidia had the hardware but no games to showcase it with.

AMD will probably use the Callisto Protocol to showcase the 7900XTX with, which has been mentioned in AMD's promotional materials before.

Callisto protocol is out on 2nd December, it uses the Unreal 5 engine and looks fab.

Hedge · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:30

It's interesting to see how this pans out.

Though I struggle to get excited any more about all the performance figures. I just find it a bit laughable that the games that come out in benchmarks are games that people should have completed / moved on from months / years ago.

It's like whoopdydoo for you, you can play control and cyberpunk better than ever. Exciting stuff.

chroniclard · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:31

Hedge said:
It's interesting to see how this pans out.

Though I struggle to get excited any more about all the performance figures. I just find it a bit laughable that the games that come out in benchmarks are games that people should have completed / moved on from months / years ago.

It's like whoopdydoo for you, you can play control and cyberpunk better than ever. Exciting stuff.

Simply popular games that people know about that show relative performance between models.

CuriousTomCat · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:34

Juvenal said:
What’s giving me pause is this: I can’t work out why, if AMD have a part that is within spitting distance of the 4090 on raw performance, they have let NVidia run rampant in the halo segment for 6 weeks and hoover up the early adopters without any significant competition. Which leads to the idea that they don’t have such a part.

But I suppose we find out in 36 hours or less either way…

AMD needed to see how fast the 4090 is before they can beat it. Did you expect AMD to guess the speed of 4090 and then release something that may or may not beat it?

Neutral · 2 Nov 2022 at 13:35

gpuerrilla said:
Would have been a shakeup if they released n33 first and dominated the low end. Looks like both vendors will have the suite q2 next year the way things are dragging out.

I can't recall low end ever launching first,but I do have a short memory