RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

cliffy · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:41

Well this thread is fun, lot of 4090 owners complaining about teh 7900xtx performance, in fairness i would to if i spent £700 more on a graphics card then was needed oh but wait, suddnely ray tracing is the only metric that matters.Lets lay out some facts

We are 5 weeks away from launch, no way the figures shown were representitative of final release driver (remember all teh excitement about teh ZEn4 uptp %15 better in Cinebench, lol.

AIBs have not announced there cards yet, It seems to be the wrost kept secret that 450W AIB cards are in bound and will quite possibly hit 3Ghz

There is still teh 7950 to come with possible VCASHE Infinity Cachem Faster GDDR 6X memory

If story's are true and AMD have said this is there answer to teh 408016GB then its a great start, More VRAM, comparable rsta performance to 4090 and better price. Honestly yeah faster ray tracing would be nice but not the end of teh world. Personally think so far (pending review) that thsi has been a great product launch

nvidiamd · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:42

Grim5 said:
I'm

That's true, it's raster performance looks good and sure it's RT isn't up there with the 4090 it is 60% cheaper and I think most people would look at that take the 60% price saving over higher RT performance

But on those numbers ( i don't know if they are accurate), it crushes your 3090 even in 4kRT, not to mention on 1440p. So your card was still great yesterday but now is crap?

uscool · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:43

No one has RT on for competitive online multiplayer, and for single and slow based games RT at 60 fps min is not too shabby just have to see how FSR 3.0 is like

I wouldn't pay all that premium just for RT

gpuerrilla · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:43

cliffy said:
Well this thread is fun, lot of 4090 owners complaining about teh 7900xtx performance

Was just about to post similar, all these guys hating on it, or pro nvidia, there's a thread to go fap on for that.

arknor · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:46

uscool said:
No one has RT on for competitive online multiplayer

yea and they have a lot of other stuff turned off too... pretty much everything.

what res do people do competitive at? I'm guessing not 4k or AMDs ""8k"" cough super ultra wide , IDK how anyone could game at super ultra wide unless it's for split screen multiplayer.... normal ultra wide is difficult enough for competitive games or anything that needs watching of the UI
so is that the metric cards should be built to now? or should we be expecting cards that push performance and push graphics forward whilst standardising features as happened in the past.

people seriously wanted another AMD card that is crippled by ray tracing compare to the competition? was that really peoples wish list

uscool · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:48

arknor said:
yea and they have a lot of other stuff turned off too... pretty much everything.

what res do people do competitive at? I'm guessing not 4k or AMDs ""8k"" cough super ultra wide
so is that the metric cards should be built to now? or should we be expecting cards that push performance and push graphics forward whilst standardising features as happened in the past.

But nowadays with the power of the cards you don't really need to turn much off and still get high FPS , it's RT that eats most of it up

arknor · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:50

uscool said:
But nowadays with the power of the cards you don't really need to turn much off and still get high FPS , it's RT that eats most of it up

IT's not just about FPS though it's about bushes, shadows, etc getting in the way of spotting people, I'd imagine they want bland textures as well so enemies pretty much pop out like a pop up book

so is the metric we build GPUs to based on fartnite and overwatch? no one wants good lucking games or relaistic looking games to show off there 1k cards now apparently.

they just want higher fps whilst everything stays the same

Sargatanas2511 · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:52

arknor said:
IT's not just about FPS though it's about bushes, shadows, etc getting in the way of spotting people, I'd imagine they want bland textures as well so enemies pretty much pop out like a pop up book

To people like that, 1080p is probably still king and I doubt they would consider either of these cards, so it's not really relevant.

The overwhelming majority of games are still raster based, and that includes new games coming out so I have no problem with that being the primary focus for a gen or 2 more.

uscool · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:52

arknor said:
IT's not just about FPS though it's about bushes, shadows, etc getting in the way of spotting people, I'd imagine they want bland textures as well so enemies pretty much pop out like a pop up book

Completely lost you buddy are you trying to say the 7900xtx is so bad you need to start turning off other settings ?

I was on the topic of RT and online

Anyway I prefer 1440p high refresh so I don't need to spend as much on hardware to push it

Yulaw · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:54

arknor said:
IT's not just about FPS though it's about bushes, shadows, etc getting in the way of spotting people, I'd imagine they want bland textures as well so enemies pretty much pop out like a pop up book

so is the metric we build GPUs to based on fartnite and overwatch?

The immediate game that comes to mind is war thunder, running it on low is like playing with cheat mode enabled.

arknor · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:54

uscool said:
Completely lost you buddy are you trying to say the 7900xtx is so bad you need to start turning off other settings ?

No I'm saying in response to

No one has RT on for competitive online multiplayer

Those people play games with loads of settings turned off or down anyway to make spotting people easier.

should we make cards that are crap at shadows and shaders because they aren't important to competitive gamers anyway? the same as RT isn't

I'm guessing you haven't been a pc gamer long enough to remember when turning on shadows was like turning on RT now as far as FPS hit went.

claiming no one wants it anyway is just an excuse to let card manufactures get away with not adding enough RT cores

kieran_read · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:56

arknor said:
Anyone who doesn't realise Raytracing will be as common in games as shadows or pixel shaded water is deluded.

IDK though maybe you people game with shadows etc turned off

There will be at least one if not two or more generations of GPUs before Raytracing is common place in games. By the time RayTracing is common in games your precious 4090 will be outdated and now able to run at 4k in those games.

This generation is a push on RT but it's not a changer, it will be years before it will be.

The impact of shadows is negligable compared to the impact of RT on performance they are not valid comparison.

uscool · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:57

arknor said:
No I'm saying in response to

Those people play games with loads of settings turned off or down anyway to make spotting people easier.

should we make cards that are crap at shadows and shaders because they aren't important to competitive gamers anyway? the same as RT isn't

Totally lost you sorry maybe I'm tired what's that got to do with RT?

Tinek · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:57

Grim5 said:
I'm

That's true, it's raster performance looks good and sure it's RT isn't up there with the 4090 it is 60% cheaper and I think most people would look at that take the 60% price saving over higher RT performance

Yep, I've been wating for 4090FE to show up (as I refuse to pay more for ugly AIB ones) but seeing figures and price AMD shown of 7900XTX, I am game. As long as it will cooperate with my oled monitor (stability over all!) I'll be happy with it. I am already happy with RT performance of my current 3080Ti, it's the raster speed I want more of.

arknor · 4 Nov 2022 at 20:59

kieran_read said:
This generation is a push on RT but it's not a changer, it will be years before it will be.

it's a huge push for nvidia, seems AMD not so much, I don't get how people can't be disappointed with that.

whys it not allowed to be critical of AMD? it was a choice to have gimpy RT performance they should be trying to catch up with nvidia

uscool said:
Totally lost you sorry maybe I'm tired what's that got to do with RT?

... how can you be lost?

you were sayingRT isn't importaint to competitive multiplayer gamers, I'm telling you a bunch of other features that aren't either.

does that mean GPUs should be crap at those things too? high res textures, shadows and shaders etc

Tinek · 4 Nov 2022 at 21:02

nvidiamd said:
But on those numbers ( i don't know if they are accurate), it crushes your 3090 even in 4kRT, not to mention on 1440p. So your card was still great yesterday but now is crap?

I've noticed that too - since AMD's presentation I've been told over and over again on various forums that my 3080Ti is unusable in RT and nothing below 4090 is usable anymore.

And no RT = no gaming, apparently.

uscool · 4 Nov 2022 at 21:02

arknor said:
it's a huge push for nvidia, seems AMD not so much, I don't get how people can't be disappointed with that.

whys it not allowed to be critical of AMD? it was a choice to have gimpy RT performance they should be trying to catch up with nvidia

Im disappointed that Nvidia decided to price the 4080 16gb at £1269 I feel it's insulting tbh after buying the 3080 for £650 , and let's forget what they tried to do sell the 12gb one we shall we ?

Grim5 · 4 Nov 2022 at 21:03

nvidiamd said:
But on those numbers ( i don't know if they are accurate), it crushes your 3090 even in 4kRT, not to mention on 1440p. So your card was still great yesterday but now is crap?

What do you mean? I said it was good RT performance. Depending on game the 7900xtx's RT game performance is anywhere between the 3080 and 3090ti and all of these are capable cards - as I said, you enable FSR and you have 4k 60fps level of performance - that's why I want to now see more games with RT effects, at least as options, they don't need to be mandatory like that metro game

gpuerrilla · 4 Nov 2022 at 21:05

Tinek said:
I've noticed that too - since AMD's presentation I've been told over and over again on various forums that my 3080Ti is unusable in RT and nothing below 4090 is usable anymore. And no RT = no gaming, apparently.

Absolutely. Funnily enough only a few weeks ago its what DLSS was for and its better than native. For some reason overnight its not gonna work anymore! :rolleyes:

Tinek · 4 Nov 2022 at 21:06

arknor said:
it's a huge push for nvidia, seems AMD not so much, I don't get how people can't be disappointed with that.

whys it not allowed to be critical of AMD? it was a choice to have gimpy RT performance they should be trying to catch up with nvidia

... how can you be lost?

you were sayingRT isn't importaint to competitive multiplayer gamers, I'm telling you a bunch of other features that aren't either.

does that mean GPUs should be crap at those things too? high res textures, shadows and shaders etc

What you seem to not understand is that developing GPU takes YEARS. What they just shown was designed and started to be tested most likely even before 3k series were released. To react to each other, each of these vendors needs 1-2 generations before they can physically catch up. Ergo, they've seen 2k series, they started to work on speeding up RT and caught up to 3k series - possibly not realising NVIDIA will push it even further. If RT really catches up, they will as well. At the beginning of Turing there were almost no RT games, no DLSS to speak of, etc. - that came later. How many years before AMD developed FSR and then FSR 2, since first DLSS?