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frank azor is going to lose whatever little credibility he had.. yes sure tell them i named my sku 7900 but have been always aiming at the 4080..
reminds me of the time when vega 64 was supposed to suddenly compete with 1080 and not the 1080 ti
people crying over how buyers want amd to perform well because they could buy a nv gou cheaper simply miss the fact that amd loses a lot of sales opportunity due to higher probability of stock out because they just dont make enough
I actually think AMD have been very smart here, trying to compete with the 4090 would have meant making a much more expensive and higher power useage card and people would just bought the 4090 anyway.
Only a handful of people spend £1700+ On Gpus so it's more of a prestige product, AMDs prices while still not cheap are much more reasonable so fall into a bracket where they have many more potential customers.
Using the 900 naming people feel like their getting a better product for cheaper rather than if they had went with a $900 7800XT instead of the 7900XT it would have looked like a $250 price increase over the 6800XT msrp, I do think this card should have been price at $800 though.
The 4080 looks like a huge embarrassment for nvidia, not like it didn't anyway and also the old ampere stock near 1k that nvidia is trying shift is pretty much a write off now without further price cuts.
The 7900XT would have been 50-60% faster than the 4080 12gb in raster for the same price so when this relaunches as a 4070 nvidia won't be able to price it anywhere near $900.
We are literally in halo card territory north of a grand. At that price, the card should be the best of the best at everything including RT. AMD kept bragging on about DP 2.1 with 4k 480hz and 8k ultrawide when talking a out these cards which are super niche use cases. Yet that is who their target audience is.
RT is there in almost all AAA single player games released last year. Hell even AMD sponsored games have RT in a limited form.
When something costs above a grand the expectation is it has to be the best of the best. Nothing else matters.
The 4080 is north of a grand and that's not the best of the best the 4090 is.
Are you saying the 4080 should be under a grand?
What about when the 4090ti released? The 4090 would not be the best of the best so should that then be reduced to under a grand?
The Halo card territory you speak off, Nvidia have increased prices over last gen by almost double, with performance almost doubling, With Nvidia you don't get more performance generation on generation you're just paying more money for more. AMD have kept their prices the same, and increased performance significantly. Most people will not pay more than £1000 hell most people wont even pay £1000 on AMD' theses cards. However if the 7900XTX series will be slapping Nvidia on the kneecaps at $999, then the lower series the 7800, 7700 etc will be significantly lower and will probably hold the performance crown based on the 7900 alone.
If the 7900XTX beats the 4080 at £1000 vs £1300 then how are Nvidia going to play the 4070, 4060, 4050, when AMD has their 7800, 7700, 7600 etc.
This is going to make Nvidia sweat and Nvidia are going to have to really think about their prices.
The one thing AMD ****** up on this announcement was not announcing the lower Tier cards. AMD could have slaughtered their sitting stock of 3000 series of which Nvidia has plenty. It would have really turned the screw on Nvidia making the ONLY viable Nvidia card the 4090 and that's only if you care about RT and nothing else.
The one thing AMD ****** up on this announcement was not announcing the lower Tier cards. AMD could have slaughtered their sitting stock of 3000 series of which Nvidia has plenty. It would have really turned the screw on Nvidia making the ONLY viable Nvidia card the 4090 and that's only if you care about RT and nothing else.
I reckon you lot will be disappointed when actual reviews come out.
half the comparisons between RDNA3 and 4090 are based on "upto" so the max fps the RDNA3 reached compared to the "average" fps a 4090 got in benchmarks
as this video shows the AMD chart is basically a misleading dumpster fire comparison
yea and how many games will support it during the lifetime of this GPU?
I'm guessing quite a lot.
Cyberpunk DLC for sure will.
Starfield will according to some linked in job advert
Any witcher games/Remakes sure will.
Forza is getting it so the next forza motorsport game sure will.
ahh I found a list on rockpaper shotgun so probably outdated
Ray tracing games you can play right now:
A Plague Tale: Requiem
Amid Evil
Battlefield V
Battlefield 2042
Bright Memory
Bright Memory: Infinite
Call Of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)
Chernobylite
Chorus
Control
Crysis Remastered
Crysis Remastered Trilogy
Cyberpunk 2077
Deathloop
Deliver Us The Moon
Dirt 5
Doom Eternal
Dying Light 2
Everspace 2
F1 2021
F1 22
Far Cry 6
FIST: Forged In Shadow Torch
Five Nights At Freddy's: Security Breach
Fortnite
Forza Horizon 5
Ghostrunner
Ghostwire: Tokyo
Gotham Knights
Godfall
Hell Pie
Hitman 3
Industria
Icarus
Jurassic World Evolution 2
Justice
JX Online 3
Lego: Builder's Journey
Loopmancer
Martha is Dead
Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
Metro Exodus / Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
Minecraft
Moonlight Blade
Mortal Shell
Myst
Observer: System Redux
Paradise Killer
Pumpkin Jack
Quake II RTX
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil 7
Resident Evil Village
Raji: An Ancient Epic
Ring Of Elysium
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
Saints Row
Severed Steel
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Stay in the Light
Steelrising
Sword and Fairy 7
The Ascent
The Fabled Woods
The Medium
The Persistence
The Riftbreaker
Watch Dogs Legion
Wolfenstein: Youngblood
World Of Warcraft: Shadowlands
Wrench
Xuan-Yuan Sword VII
Ray tracing games on the way:
Atomic Heart
Avatar: Frontiers Of Pandora
Boundary
Dying: 1983
Elden Ring (ray tracing update coming post-launch)
Forza Motorsport
Halo Infinite
Layers of Fears
Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Mortal Online 2
Portal with RTX
Ratten Reich
Ready Or Not
Skull and Bones
STALKER 2: Heart of Chornobyl
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
Synced: Off-Planet
The Day Before
The Lord of the Rings: Gollum
The Witcher III: Wild Hunt - Game of the Year Edition
For online RT turned off, for single and slow based games just need to reach 60 fps and can use FSR, with Nvidia paying the extra premium just for RT doesn't feel worth it
Yeah if the 4080 dropped and matched price maybe have discussion but pretty sure the raster performance will be pretty much higher then 4080 when early signs are it's pretty close to 4090
Well, obviously.
But never mind coughing up for the R&D, neither vendor wanted to pay for the increased die sizes required for stronger RT performance.
In fact, from the rumours of what Sony wanted and got*, it seems they acted like cheapskates.
Will be interesting what any console refresh brings, if AMD demands higher margins then increasing the transistors dedicated to RT seems less likely.
*Rumour was that very late in development, Sony wanted to up the clocks after they found out the spec of XBX and the higher clocks meant yields really suffered and hence scares 7nm wafers were "wasted" with otherwise good dies which couldn't hit clocks - and possibly Sony only paid AMD for "good" dies. Probably something which needs to be hidden from the stockmarket in a similar way to Nvidia's poor inventory planning for the 3000 series.
IT's almost half the Tensor, RT and cuda cores of a 4090? what's even the point at the price it seems to be launching at
I reckon you lot will be disappointed when actual reviews come out.
half the comparisons between RDNA3 and 4090 are based on "upto" so the max fps the RDNA3 reached compared to the "average" fps a 4090 got in benchmarks
as this video shows the AMD chart is basically a misleading dumpster fire comparison
You are constantly telling me to care about something i don't care about.
I don't know how much i need to say this, i put my hand on my heart and i honestly tell you, I DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT RT.
THE ONLY games i would care about on your little lists are maybe Skull and Bones and Stalker. Skull and Bones I would be playing online so wouldn't use it, with Stalker being an FPS i would prioritise getting 144fps for my Monitor over RT.
You are projecting so much it's unbelievable, yes we can wait until reviews and we should see the 7900XTX getting very close to the 4090 in Rasterization, and you can **** of with your RT performance whining i don't care about it, it's not for me, it doesn't bother me.
You seem obessed with trying to knock other products to try and justify your purchases. The rasterperformance on that video shows AMD tickling the 4090 and being within 10-20% i'm VERY HAPPY with that performance for that SIGNIFICANT price difference.
yea and how many games will support it during the lifetime of this GPU?
I'm guessing quite a lot.
Cyberpunk DLC for sure will.
Starfield will according to some linked in job advert
Any witcher games/Remakes sure will.
Forza is getting it so the next forza motorsport game sure will.
ahh I found a list on rockpaper shotgun so probably outdated
Ray tracing games you can play right now:
A Plague Tale: Requiem
Amid Evil
Battlefield V
Battlefield 2042
Bright Memory
Bright Memory: Infinite
Call Of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)
Chernobylite
Chorus
Control
Crysis Remastered
Crysis Remastered Trilogy
Cyberpunk 2077
Deathloop
Deliver Us The Moon
Dirt 5
Doom Eternal
Dying Light 2
Everspace 2
F1 2021
F1 22
Far Cry 6
FIST: Forged In Shadow Torch
Five Nights At Freddy's: Security Breach
Fortnite
Forza Horizon 5
Ghostrunner
Ghostwire: Tokyo
Gotham Knights
Godfall
Hell Pie
Hitman 3
Industria
Icarus
Jurassic World Evolution 2
Justice
JX Online 3
Lego: Builder's Journey
Loopmancer
Martha is Dead
Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
Metro Exodus / Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
Minecraft
Moonlight Blade
Mortal Shell
Myst
Observer: System Redux
Paradise Killer
Pumpkin Jack
Quake II RTX
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil 7
Resident Evil Village
Raji: An Ancient Epic
Ring Of Elysium
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
Saints Row
Severed Steel
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Stay in the Light
Steelrising
Sword and Fairy 7
The Ascent
The Fabled Woods
The Medium
The Persistence
The Riftbreaker
Watch Dogs Legion
Wolfenstein: Youngblood
World Of Warcraft: Shadowlands
Wrench
Xuan-Yuan Sword VII
Ray tracing games on the way:
Atomic Heart
Avatar: Frontiers Of Pandora
Boundary
Dying: 1983
Elden Ring (ray tracing update coming post-launch)
Forza Motorsport
Halo Infinite
Layers of Fears
Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Mortal Online 2
Portal with RTX
Ratten Reich
Ready Or Not
Skull and Bones
STALKER 2: Heart of Chornobyl
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
Synced: Off-Planet
The Day Before
The Lord of the Rings: Gollum
The Witcher III: Wild Hunt - Game of the Year Edition
"But it's only 2 games, cp and control!!!!!!!", "no one cares about those games!!!!"
It's good that amds £1+k option is now competing with 2 year old nvidia tech in RT now, it hopefully means amd won't gimp their sponsored titles as much when it comes to RT, however, if they don't want the 4080 and above pulling ahead by miles again, they sadly might just hold it back still, having said that, it was bad enough having nvidia mid range ampere gpus matching amds top end rdna 2 flagships in RT titles for the past 2 years... imo it will be even more embarrassing for RDNA 3 in the RT benchmarks where 2 year old is matching them.... but as people keep saying, they don't care for RT so no loss for them, right?
All in all rdna 3 is fantastic if you are on older weaker gpus such as turing, lower end ampere or RDNA 2, just not an upgrade "all round" for others.
Oh and amds dig was rather silly as not everyone will have to go out and buy a new case, nor a new psu nor an adapter cable..... same way not everyone is going to go out and buy a dp 2.1 monitor to pair with rdna 3.
3080 is still soldering on for me for the foreseeable future.
- not paying 1+k on either amd or nvidia so both are ruled out
- not buying a gpu which is offering RT perf. that I have had for the past 2 years, let alone paying £1+k for that
When it's that close to 4090 in raster for much less , RT for me isn't important playing online competitive. And if it can reach 60 fps and with help of FSR for single and slow based games if it makes the game noticeable prettier I'll put it on
It's still too much for me even if it gets close to 4090 in raster, not going over £700-£750 for a gpu
I think next gen probably be when I'll upgrade and maybe get nice performance lift from £750 range
The 4080 is north of a grand and that's not the best of the best the 4090 is.
Are you saying the 4080 should be under a grand?
What about when the 4090ti released? The 4090 would not be the best of the best so should that then be reduced to under a grand?
The Halo card territory you speak off, Nvidia have increased prices over last gen by almost double, with performance almost doubling, With Nvidia you don't get more performance generation on generation you're just paying more money for more. AMD have kept their prices the same, and increased performance significantly. Most people will not pay more than £1000 hell most people wont even pay £1000 on AMD' theses cards. However if the 7900XTX series will be slapping Nvidia on the kneecaps at $999, then the lower series the 7800, 7700 etc will be significantly lower and will probably hold the performance crown based on the 7900 alone.
If the 7900XTX beats the 4080 at £1000 vs £1300 then how are Nvidia going to play the 4070, 4060, 4050, when AMD has their 7800, 7700, 7600 etc.
This is going to make Nvidia sweat and Nvidia are going to have to really think about their prices.
The one thing AMD ****** up on this announcement was not announcing the lower Tier cards. AMD could have slaughtered their sitting stock of 3000 series of which Nvidia has plenty. It would have really turned the screw on Nvidia making the ONLY viable Nvidia card the 4090 and that's only if you care about RT and nothing else.
RTX 4080 should be priced much below 1k. You didn’t need AMD coming out with its products to understand just how bad the card is. Just about 200 more gets you a card which is entirely in another league when it comes to performance. IMO, it existed solely to upsell the 4090. I am interested in seeing how nvidia responds at the 80 tier in the current situation.
The 4090 Ti would be released near the end of Ada life cycle like the 3090 Ti. True the 4090 wouldn’t be the best at that point but then you have already reached the launch if next gen.
Prices have only doubled for the 80 tier. 90 tier increase wasn’t anywhere near that. We went from £1,499 to £1,799. AMD cards are not priced near nvidia because the gap in RT has gotten even worse since last time and even in raster they aren’t tying the 4090 like how the 6900XT was with the 3090. You also don’t get DLSS support.
I think Nvidia will lower the price of the 4080 to £999 and launch the 4080 Ti at £1,300 which will address the 7900XTX and 7900XT. That will set the stack right.
Your comment regarding psus and case purchases is valid. I guess part of the issue with £1000+ gpus is people lose perspective on what their money is evaporating into.
It's like a car purchase, you have the base cost then when a dealer says would you like heated seats for £x you say 'yeah why not'. Because you're already in deep.
People bought £1400 3090s a year or so ago and said how awesome cyberpunk and control were. Now we are in 2022 and the same people with £1700 4090s are still banging on about performance in the same two games with RT.
Your comment regarding psus and case purchases is valid. I guess part of the issue with £1000+ gpus is people lose perspective on what their money is evaporating into.
It's like a car purchase, you have the base cost then when a dealer says would you like heated seats for £x you say 'yeah why not'. Because you're already in deep.
People bought £1400 3090s a year or so ago and said how awesome cyberpunk and control were. Now we are in 2022 and the same people with £1700 4090s are still banging on about performance in the same two games with RT.
And it became unplayable on their old graphics card. They put hundreds of hours in cyberpunk playing it at crappy RT performance and told us how amazing that game is.
And it became unplayable on their old graphics card. They put hundreds of hours in cyberpunk playing it at crappy RT performance and told us how amazing that game is.
And it became unplayable on their old graphics card. They put hundreds of hours in cyberpunk playing it at crappy RT performance and told us how amazing that game is.
I actually think AMD have been very smart here, trying to compete with the 4090 would have meant making a much more expensive and higher power useage card and people would just bought the 4090 anyway.
Only a handful of people spend £1700+ On Gpus so it's more of a prestige product, AMDs prices while still not cheap are much more reasonable so fall into a bracket where they have many more potential customers.
Using the 900 naming people feel like their getting a better product for cheaper rather than if they had went with a $900 7800XT instead of the 7900XT it would have looked like a $250 price increase over the 6800XT msrp, I do think this card should have been price at $800 though.
The 4080 looks like a huge embarrassment for nvidia, not like it didn't anyway and also the old ampere stock near 1k that nvidia is trying shift is pretty much a write off now without further price cuts.
The 7900XT would have been 50-60% faster than the 4080 12gb in raster for the same price so when this relaunches as a 4070 nvidia won't be able to price it anywhere near $900.
And it became unplayable on their old graphics card. They put hundreds of hours in cyberpunk playing it at crappy RT performance and told us how amazing that game is.
Just to provide an analogy, I used to own an AW2721D 240hz 1440p monitor and I enjoyed gaming in it for nearly 2 years but the HDR performance was decidedly subpar since it was an edge lit panel. Now I have a Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 and an AW3423DW and seeing HDR in action, playing at 1440p without it is now unplayable to me. That’s called tech advancement. Now both these panels have their flaws. The AW3423DW cannot get bright enough with small highlights without triggering ABL while the Samsung gets very bright but doesn’t look as good in the dark due to haloing.That’s why I keep both. In the future, there will be panel technologies which could do both at the same time so that would make both monitors I own right now seem very bad in comparison.
So I don’t get your quote here. 4K DLSS performance RT Ultra 60 fps Cyberpunk was playable. But tech advancement now means I get the same experience at higher frame rates with DLSS Quality. But now the 4090 isn’t powerful enough to use DLDSR and RT Psycho settings in Cyberpunk. The 5090 will probably do that which will make the 4090 experience seem bad at that time. This is tech advancement.
People will be able to enjoy CP as it is now with rdna 3, which is great, it is still one of the best, if not the best looking games with the "current" RT visuals...
The problem is the upcoming patch where a **** ton of the RT is being dialled up (like I have always said, what we have seen with likes of cp in its current form is literally just the tip of the iceberg of what RT can provide, it is being held back considerably as we still haven't got the hardware nor even software solutions to get us to where we ultimately want to be), also, the difference between the 40xx and rdna 3 could very well even be much bigger when that patch lands or/and more games are optimised using nvidias new SER or whatever it's called rendering methods which apparently improves performance by up to 43/48% for 40xx hardware.....
Ultimately, we need to start seeing more metro ee kind of games but again, that won't happen until old gen consoles are dumped. The "we don't have the budget option for RT" argument has been debunked many times already as shown by metro ee on current gen consoles and weaker/older RT capable gpus.
Essentially it is just going to be rdna 2 vs ampere all over again, games will now start pushing rt a bit more with the new improved hardware we have and rdna 3 as well as ampere will just simply need settings reduced compared to the 4080/4090 over the next 2 years.
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