RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[0h_no_not_again]

By all accounts also a huge amount of 3XXX series stock to shift that no-one wanted at the inflated prices. I think they're out of touch, everything has gone up except wages. A GPU is a luxury item, people will prioritize bills, food and fuel first.

I mostly agree they're out of touch. Wanting to sell older product is fine, it just feels like they should have properly dropped the prices and then cannibalised their own market faster.

It reeks of a superiority complex. This feels particularly so with the 4080 16GB and 4080 12GB performance. Literally no gen on gen price performance improvement. 4080 16Gb just beating the 3090ti in RT is just a joke...

At least AMD have given a significant price performance jump gen on gen. For me the halo teir is bad value and the mid tiers are where it's at.

 

[Calin Banc]

PCGH 7900xtx raster and rt estimates.

In a relativist way, for those wanting RT and interested in DLSS type of tech, 4090 although more expensive, it actually offers a better price/performance ration based on MSRP (about 100% more performance for around 60% more money). If you have the money that is.

Incredible value at over £1100...

yeah, lol. AMD doing a nVIDIA thing by upping their price and then keeping it, crowd goes wow

Not to mention that by judging what they did with Ryzen, the only thing keeping the prices at $1000 is the lack of performance. Make no mistake, it would have been $1399 or even $1499 if it was right there with the competition.

If you want better competition then buy an AMD GPU, the more people that buy the bigger their RnD budget.

Rewarding nvidia for price hikes that is what keeps pushing up the price.

When the 1080ti came out GPU prices had been gradually rising for 10 years but then the 2080ti arrived for over 1k and people bought it so next came the 3090 for £1400 and people bought that too and now we are up to £1700.

People also oddly moaned that the 3080 was either too cheap "perhaps forgetting that is what top end cards had normally cost" or to close to the 3090 in performance so this time we get double the performance gap and double the price.

So reward the company performing worse and having still $1000 cards is a sane logic ) Rewarding them won't guarantee better, cheaper products in the future. They've already proved that with their CPUs.
If 7900xtx was $599 or thereabouts, yeah. Kudos! Half the performance of the competition in RT, not as good DLSS alternative, but at least plenty fast in rasterization and only has half the price or less.

It will remain to see how things go from now on. I'm waiting for $329 amd's 7600 card with pci-e gen5 interface so it can run even worse for people with with gen3 and 4 motherboards while nvidia sells their xx60ti and xx70 cards as 4080 variants. Good times ahead!

 

[brostradamus]

i believe people will be finding it hard to ignore the opportunity of buying a rtx 4090 founders edition if one becomes available before the scheduled rdna3 launch..
post-launch prices are hard to predict with how things are being managed for the past few years
thats my unbiased assessment

 

[arknor]

The advancement of graphics tech comes from console development. It doesn't come from the pc market. The days of crysis are long gone.

yea and what manufactures gpu are inside consoles and probably will be still whenever new consoles come out

i believe people will be finding it hard to ignore the opportunity of buying a rtx 4090 founders edition if one becomes available before the scheduled rdna3 launch..

According to Einstein aka @Purgatory on here there is no shortage so you should be able to get one really easily.

You too according to him then could enjoy "buyers remorse"

 

[Shaz12]

So there's no real difference between 1053 ($999 at current exchange rates + 20% VAT) and 1649? LOL. This is the most ridiculous thing I've read for a while.
The point you are making is a pile of poo I'm afraid.

Add in the AIB premium on top of that. Do not also expect reference cards to be in high stock. You are spending over a grand on that GPU to get much higher raster frame rates at 4k, when the previous generation wasn't a slouch in that area. You now get 130 FPS instead of 80, and now you have no way of using that headroom apart from VSR because the differences start being impercepible past 80-100 FPS unless you play competitive.

Yes, why *does* anyone buy anything but the most expensive card? Life must be a real mystery to you.

Why is anyone spending over a grand on a GPU to get last gen RT performance?

No you damn well couldn't. The 3090 launched at 1399. The 3080 with 10GB of RAM was not 'the best' by any stretch of the imagination *and for most of the previous generation you couldn't source one of those for under a grand anyway*. Have you got qualifications in mental gymnastics?

The 3080 was just 10-15% slower than the 3090. That's pretty much it. It was very much comparable to the 3090 and it cannibalised the sales of 3090, 3080 Ti and 3090 Ti as it was half the price and it was competitive on both RT and raster. The situation with the 7900XTX and the 4090 isn't the same because the 7900XTX just cannot compete with the 4090 on RT while the 4080 is a whole tier lower. The 4080 is shoddy this generation precisely because Nvidia realised their mistake with the 3080. I am not taking mining boom into consideration. All GPUs were priced exorbitantly last gen.

1. You couldn't get a "no compromise product" at 1200 quid last generation.
2. The 4090 isn't "no compromise" product either. Can it do 4k/165, full RT, full quality with no upscaling on all games? No? Then it's less than what I want out of a graphics card and every card on the market is a compromise between available features and money.

Honestly mate, you're talking rubbish. AMD have introduced two products at the high end of the market, which will outperform much of nvidia's lineup in raster and lag in RT. It's good news for all buyers whoever they go with because its actual competition. If you want to rub yourself off over your 4090, don't let me stop you. The rest of us can still celebrate progress at more reasonable prices. And yes, 1049 is more reasonable than 1649, whatever you think on the matter, and it indicates that lower down the market there is likely to be fierce competition too.

1. Because of the mining boom. MSRP to MSRP, the 3080 was competitive with 3090 in everything except it was 15% slower doing it. Very different from the 7900XTX vs 4090.
2. Developers will always rely on upscaling as a crutch to advance visuals. If the 4090 could do what you want it do, developers would implement path tracing and we would be back to using DLSS as a crutch.

1,200 (which is where I expect prices to land realistically) is not reasonable. Relative to 4090 its reasonable, yes but not on its own. I would just save up and go the whole hog but we will see how the market decides.

 

[deuse]

Oh well.
Lets see what happens the next time around.

And AMD BS about 8K. They halved the one dimension

 

[Shaz12]

Is this game monetisation logic at work on your brain?

Why spend 1000 when you could instead spend 1700

It won't be 1,000. I expect it will be around 1,150 - 1,200 when it actually lands. We are talking about 2.65x RT performance vs. 1.7x on the 7900XTX. The RT performance is not that good. Even if tied with the 4090 in raster, that would have been good but it doesn't.

 

[SpudMaster]

Did any sources reveal how long the actual XTX PCB is? The entire card is listed as 287mm, but the PCB looks like it stops well short of the shroud... I'd love to finally do a watercooled build in my Silverstone FT02, but I may not have enough room once a rad is installed.

It's to me it's about 1, maybe 2cm at most short of the shroud. PCB looks to end at the power connectors to me

 

[SpellowHouse]

It won't be 1,000. I expect it will be around 1,150 - 1,200 when it actually lands. We are talking about 2.65x RT performance vs. 1.7x on the 7900XTX. The RT performance is not that good. Even if tied with the 4090 in raster, that would have been good but it doesn't.

I don't care about RT performance at all. I am still after more raster fps. The 7900XTX is very interesting. Even if it can't quite match the 4090, it uses 2/3 the power and importantly costs almost £800 less (current prices). To me that firmly places in competition with the 4080, not the 4090 and it seems that it kicks the 4080's butt. Makes you wonder if NVIDIA will rework the 4080 in to something a little more powerful or whether prices will drop. Either way, it's all very exciting.

 

[arknor]

. Even if it can't quite match the 4090, it uses 2/3 the power

or does it because in actual gaming loads it only uses around 350watts not the 450watt stock level

be interesting to compare their performance at the same watts and how hot the card gets since 4090 has an extremely overkill cooler keeping the core nice and cool

almost £800 less (current prices)

There's no way your getting the AMD card for £900
VAT + FIAT + AIB markup + will get prescalped

AMD don't sell their own card in EU they only have an American store? it's probably going to end up being 400-500 cheaper than a 4090FE, which I guess is still quite a lot though..

It could end up beiing less perf per dollar than a 3080 though I'm taking AMD numbers with large amounts of salt and any "guestimates" need a skip of salt

 

[nvidiamd]

7900xtx side profile in a case

I must say it looks real pretty

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588286921947561984

The card looks good viewed from the front. But viewed from the top it looks average, it only looks good when compared with the abdomination that is the 4090. If the AIBs will use the same giant ugly coolers for the 7900xtx, then we are heading in the right direction.

 

[Hotwired]

It won't be 1,000. I expect it will be around 1,150 - 1,200 when it actually lands. We are talking about 2.65x RT performance vs. 1.7x on the 7900XTX. The RT performance is not that good. Even if tied with the 4090 in raster, that would have been good but it doesn't.

Huh.

So why spend 1200 when you could instead spend 1900

Incremental gains on RT are worth 700? We can already tell the raster performance is overkill outside RT and that's the bit that works on every game.

 

[SpellowHouse]

or does it because in actual gaming loads it only uses around 350watts not the 450watt stock level

be interesting to compare their performance at the same watts and how hot the card gets since 4090 has an extremely overkill cooler keeping the core nice and cool

It will be very interesting to see comparisons...

 

[Shaz12]

Huh.

So why spend 1200 when you could instead spend 1900

Incremental gains on RT are worth 700? We can already tell the raster performance is overkill outside RT and that's the bit that works on every game.

But then why spend a grand on upgrading from a 3000/6000 series card to go from 80 to 130 FPS? What's the point?

 

[andybird123]

+vat
+ currency exchange rip off
+ markup for living in Britain

bet you will be lucky to see one under £1300 probably closer to 1400

But then by the same token a 4090 is £1900, so it's still a £600 saving if you aren't bothered about RT

Whatever mental gymnastics you do to trash the price of the XTX you have to apply to the 4090

 

[CapitalOne]

I always run one of each for the lols.

I’ve not upgraded the V64 because there just hasn’t been anything from AMD to get excited about. As it’s in a 1440p 160hz setup the 6900xt looks like a bargain not sure the 7000 series offers much uptick or am I missing something?

 

[Hedge]

Huh.

So why spend 1200 when you could instead spend 1900

Incremental gains on RT are worth 700? We can already tell the raster performance is overkill outside RT and that's the bit that works on every game.

Can you imagine the scenario... Youre playing some old average game like Cyberpunk or Control on your rtx3080 and someone says 'oh hey. If you pay me £1000 you will be able to get about 20fps more on this thing'

Bargain! Where do I sign?

It's become so laughable. People talk as if these ultra high end solutions are the only way to play a game.

 

[arknor]

But then by the same token a 4090 is £1900, so it's still a £600 saving if you aren't bothered about RT

1700 for FE though


Shame AMD don;t do an EU shop and only link to other etailers for USA they sell direct to consumers

https://www.amd.com/en/shop/us/Graphics%20Cards

 

[Firegod]

All these pages and pages of RT "talk". I think I only own about 3 games that support it. I'll get by without it just fine. I'd rather have a better all round package upgrade over the previous 6000 generation and it looks like the 7900XTX will deliver on that. I can see the benchmark talk now... 7900XTX runs game X at 250fps but the 4090 runs game X (when not melting) at 300fps. Omg why did I buy a 7900XTX. This fps is horrible!!!

 

[gpuerrilla]

I have not used CUDA nor other "productivity" features of my 3080Ti even once, since I got it. Neither I did it on 2070S back in the days. And that's on a PC I use for work as well. I simply need none of these, aside proper gaming performance and ability to watch videos. Low power use and silence are nice bonuses!

Precisely, there will be people that use it but they are a tiny amount. Its just one of the excuses people make to justify that extra outlay. A lot of people also buy first think later, the amount of displays or psu mismatches and cpu bottlenecks will demonstrate that.