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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

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My point was simple - there'll be more 3080's, 3090, 3090ti's "sold" (2nd hand) than there will be RX7000 series bought from new - as Nvidia is so much more popular. RT performance on AMD's flagship being equal to 3080, is also a big reason, though Nvidia's popularity/mind share is more responsible.

I think it's trolling to deny the sheer amount of 3000 series cards being bought on MM, the bay, 2nd hand right now. Why is this so hard to accept? Many have clearly decided that paying £700-900 for a 2nd hand Nvidia 3000 series card is more preferable to waiting for AMD's lacklustre flagship.

That will purely depend on how much the end up selling for.
If they drop down to £500 i would probably just buy a 3090ti tbh.
 
isnt its raster performance getting close to the 4090 ? looking at some charts and that means will be well ahead of 30 series ? RT isnt everything mostly only used for single and slow based games and surely can do 60fps and help with FSR ?
AMD did not release FPS numbers for their cards without FSR. It's just upto 1.7x and 1.5x. We dont know the averages.
 
Haven't seen people talk about FSR 3/frame generation much or maybe I have missed it. But thoughts on it? Is it going to be compatible with older amd gpus as well as nvidia gpus?



Thing is we haven't seen any RT games where they are using nvidias new methods/optimisations for 40xx so chances are when that is implemented, the difference could be substantial, think CP 2077 overdrive mode and portal rtx will be the first titles to show this and plague tale when it gets its RT update.
For me FSR3 is a no go. While i accept that DLSS and FSR may offer better aliasing i am always for the native/true frames, i can't get my head thinking that paying to have fake frames inserted so that your card can look stronger than it is, can be a good thing. And when i move in a game i want that displayed as soon as possible, any frame generation will have an inherent latency no matter what. Unless some AI can anticipate your movements and in that case it should be considered a bot and banned. :)
As for the Nvidia new features they will make a difference for sure but they are no different than how hairworks worked. As long as it is custom code, on the 40 series you get benefits from the games that have the code and you get no benefits from the games that don't have the code. But i told you before, Nvidia will have the code in most good games due to their huge marketshare.
We will probably see some mods/games released when the Radeon/4080 or 4070 is released. The truth is these features will be more important for Nvidia in benchmarks and reviews for new cards ( they shouldn't be used, just like hairworks, but they will be used).
 
yes FSR 3.0 will be available for older gpus thats why it takes longer to get released , Frank talked about it would be much easier and released quicker if they just made it for Rdna3 but they are taking the harder route

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That was some BS marketing right there. Knowing AMD it will be released in december 2023 and it will be below par.I don't believe they even started it yet and i have doubts they thought about it before Nvidia brought DLSS3. :)
 
No but if you apply 1.5-1.7x to the 6950 performance you get within spitting distance of the 4090.

We will need to wait for reviews but if true it will be very close.

I think what AMD have done here is say to Nvidia....

"So you want to make it all about RT? Fine, we will compete with the 4080 and make it cheaper, the higher raster performance is a bonus on top of that, now what?"
 
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That will purely depend on how much the end up selling for.
If they drop down to £500 i would probably just buy a 3090ti tbh.

Most people either already agree with you and have bought a 3000 series card 2nd hand, or will do so once £/$ slaps them in the face with RX7000 release price and final performance is known.

Also with the 3000 series you get mature drivers, whereas the RX7000 driver situation is currently unknown. We all know AMD's track record of drivers........
 
My point was simple - there'll be more 3080's, 3090, 3090ti's "sold" (2nd hand) than there will be RX7000 series bought from new - as Nvidia is so much more popular. RT performance on AMD's flagship being equal to 3080, is also a big reason, though Nvidia's popularity/mind share is more responsible.

I think it's trolling to deny the sheer amount of 3000 series cards being bought on MM, the bay, 2nd hand right now. Why is this so hard to accept? Many have clearly decided that paying £700-900 for a 2nd hand Nvidia 3000 series card is more preferable to waiting for AMD's lacklustre flagship.


7900 is superior to all those second hand cards, there is demand because there are no other cards for sale outside the 4090 fleecing editions. :cry:

This is very weak. :cry: 4/10 must try harder.
 
That was some BS marketing right there. Knowing AMD it will be released in december 2023 and it will be below par.I don't believe they even started it yet and i have doubts they thought about it before Nvidia brought DLSS3. :)

Will be interesting to see when it is released and how it performs as it will either make them look bloody good and make nvidia look beyond terrible based on the "nvidia have been working on FG for 6 years" statement i.e. if true, no way amd will be able to come up with something on par within a short space of time unless they also have been working on it for all that time... and if false, well then that will just go to show, nvidia pr spouting bs and FG not needing any fancy hardware nor lots of development time....

That was my other disappointment with amds show, the lack of them mentioning current/new games getting FSR 2 or above, that is probably still the main disadvantage with amd right now imo, it's no good having a solution (open sourced or not...) that may be on par with your competition if it is still not getting in games at the same uptake as said competitor....
 
Most people either already agree with you and have bought a 3000 series card 2nd hand, or will do so once £/$ slaps them in the face with RX7000 release price and final performance is known.

Also with the 3000 series you get mature drivers, whereas the RX7000 driver situation is currently unknown. We all know AMD's track record of drivers........

Just stop, your embarrassing yourself. :cry:
 
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AMD did not release FPS numbers for their cards without FSR. It's just upto 1.7x and 1.5x. We dont know the averages.

If I'm wrong find me where it says fsr was used in the charts with no mention of FSR
Check LTT channel, Linus mentioned that he was able to go to the test benches at the event and set settings to benchmark

And compared to reviews he already did with the 6950xt

To verify AMDs chart upto which had no mention of FSR used and Linus didn't mention it as well would be big mistake of Linus failing to mention that

And he said the upto matched up
 
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7900 is superior to all those second hand cards, there is demand because there are no other cards for sale outside the 4090 fleecing editions. :cry:

This is very weak. :cry: 4/10 must try harder.

Depends on price doesn't it?

3090/ti for £600-700 vs 7800xtx for £1+K

I'll be amazed if 7800xt/x comes in at their MSRP too....

Personally I would stomp up the extra but not many would be wanting to, 1+k is crazy amount of money for a gpu no matter who's name is on it....
 
That was some BS marketing right there. Knowing AMD it will be released in december 2023 and it will be below par.I don't believe they even started it yet and i have doubts they thought about it before Nvidia brought DLSS3. :)

That may be the case at least they are not locking it and making it open
 
Depends on price doesn't it?

3090/ti for £600-700 vs 7800xtx for £1+K

I'll be amazed if 7800xt/x comes in at their MSRP too....

Personally I would stomp up the extra but not many would be wanting to, 1+k is crazy amount of money for a gpu no matter who's name is on it....

Yeah I'm not too fussed paying a grand. Just not worth it. 3080 suits me fine. Prices need to be compared from new though. You can't compare second hand, it's just not valid.
 
Most people either already agree with you and have bought a 3000 series card 2nd hand, or will do so once £/$ slaps them in the face with RX7000 release price and final performance is known.

Also with the 3000 series you get mature drivers, whereas the RX7000 driver situation is currently unknown. We all know AMD's track record of drivers........

Doubt you owned AMD product recently to make the claim

I can Google and find people posting about issues Nvidia, but owning Nvidia card myself I've had no issues, as neither have had issue with owning AMD CPU or GPU
 
Yeah I'm not too fussed paying a grand. Just not worth it. 3080 suits me fine. Prices need to be compared from new though. You can't compare second hand, it's just not valid.

It totally isn't the upgrade options from 3080 are crap I'll be staying away from this generation maybe next generation we'll get something good in the £700 range :)
 
Most people either already agree with you and have bought a 3000 series card 2nd hand, or will do so once £/$ slaps them in the face with RX7000 release price and final performance is known.

Also with the 3000 series you get mature drivers, whereas the RX7000 driver situation is currently unknown. We all know AMD's track record of drivers........

People say that about drivers, but i think people just regurgitate what other people say.

As someone who has owned both AMD and Nvidia cards the driver issues are about the same on both brands. TBH half the time I forget to upgrade the drivers on my 1080ti because it's not automated. I recently bought Hell Let Loose when I upgraded my drivers for it, i was 9 months behind the latest release.

The last time I had issues with drivers was on my 4870X2 and that was most likely down to it being a duel GPU card rather than drivers itself.
 
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Will be interesting to see when it is released and how it performs as it will either make them look bloody good and make nvidia look beyond terrible based on the "nvidia have been working on FG for 6 years" statement i.e. if true, no way amd will be able to come up with something on par within a short space of time unless they also have been working on it for all that time... and if false, well then that will just go to show, nvidia pr spouting bs and FG not needing any fancy hardware nor lots of development time....

That was my other disappointment with amds show, the lack of them mentioning current/new games getting FSR 2 or above, that is probably still the main disadvantage with amd right now imo, it's no good having a solution (open sourced or not...) that may be on par with your competition if it is still not getting in games at the same uptake as said competitor....
6 years is also bs marketing i don't believe they worked on anything for 6 years.
As for FSR...it would have been in a lot more games if the marketshare was not already 80% in favour of Nvidia. But then again it may not have been open source either. :)
That may be the case at least they are not locking it and making it open

We need to understand how each of these companies are playing, there is a reason for everything, there is not a bad company and a good one. FSR is open source because AMD can't pay for it to be put in games as a custom feature that only works on AMD cards.
 
We need to understand how each of these companies are playing, there is a reason for everything, there is not a bad company and a good one. FSR is open source because AMD can't pay for it to be put in games as a custom feature that only works on AMD cards.
Correction there is a scummy company and one that hopes to reach one day the same level of dirtiness so they are trying their best. :)
 
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