RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

Sargatanas2511 · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:45

Dave2150 said:
There's a boatload of £700 3090's available 2nd hand, that's what the majority will buy IMO.

Do we compare used prices to new prices now?

Curlyriff · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:47

arknor said:
They are made up figures.... how accurate were the made up 4090 figures? I'm guessing not very

Anyone who doesn't realise Raytracing will be as common in games as shadows or pixel shaded water is deluded.

IDK though maybe you people game with shadows etc turned off

Remember when GPUs struggled with shadows? and then they didn;t.

well thats ray tracing now with a 4090.... AMD holding back gaming as always with dog turd RT performance when it should be a priority feature people who buy the top card from them expect.

probably would have cost them a few dollars to up the RT core amount

Yeah in another 5yrs that might be true for RT but by then the there will be another 2-3 generations of cards by both companies when it actually matters.

I brought the 6900xt cause I didn't care about RT. I don't need to buy this gen but unless I play a handful of games specifically I'd always be buying a 7900xtx this generation.

RT is not worth a 50%+ cost difference.

humbug · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:49

Sargatanas2511 said:
Do we compare used prices to new prices now?

Its no good if AMD aren't competing with a 2 year old ex-miner from Ebay.

Don't you see? The convenience of that is AMD can never compete with that, so we can keep telling people to buy Nvidia, even if it was jet washed before it was bundled into a random box.

Tinek · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:54

humbug said:
Its no good if AMD aren't competing with a 2 year old ex-miner from Ebay.

Don't you see? The convenience of that is AMD can never compete with that, so we can keep telling people to buy Nvidia, even if it was jet washed before it was bundled into a random box.

That is true. No warranty on £600+ products from unknown origin... yikes!

humbug · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:55

Tinek said:
That is true. No warranty on £600+ products from unknown origin... yikes!

Dave2150 · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:56

humbug said:
Right.... so AMD's brand new card with a 3 year warrenty should compete with an Ebay GPU that's spent the last two years mining.

If that's your idea of fair competition then AMD can never compete.

Check MM, ebay, they are selling daily for this price. There's a huge demand for 3080, 3090, 3090ti 2nd hand. Whether you like it or not, people want and are buying them. This is a big part of why Nvidia has 80% of the dGPU marketshare IMO.

Denying that this is happening, while the evidence is right in front of you, means you just can't accept reality.

kieran_read · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:56

humbug said:
So what do we think of this design?

I think it looks better than any AIB design i have seen to date.
It is quite a busy design but it isn't vulgar, its well proportioned with some nice design touches like the way the fan blades integrate in to a design feature of the fan hub, and the 3 red fins on the top of the cooler is a nice touch.

Its been properly an competently designed from sculptural point of view, IMO it looks really good.

Oh.... and its not too ####'ing big. Its a nice size.

I would be content for that design to be in my PC haha lets put it that way i think it's simple which is all i need.
I don't need these stupid "GAMER EDITION SHROUDS" on my products lol

Joxeon · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:57

The best higher end Gpus for price from last gen were the 6800XT/3080, now AMDs is atleast giving us a price to performance improvement over the 6800XT, nvidia on the other hand is giving us a price performance regression over the 3080.

gpuerrilla · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:58

Dave2150 said:
Check MM, ebay, they are selling daily for this price. There's a huge demand for 3080, 3090, 3090ti 2nd hand. Whether you like it or not, people want and are buying them. This is a big part of why Nvidia has 80% of the dGPU marketshare IMO.

Denying that this is happening, while the evidence is right in front of you, means you just can't accept reality.

Oh we have the flood shepherd! Remind me of the reality of this, especially in the UK market??!

Tinek · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:58

humbug said:

Yeah, I've seen that. There are SOME well maintainted mining GPUs, but you never know. My brother bought post-mining 3070, from local miner (and not from Asia), who didn't hide it - price was good and he got invoice claiming it's new, hence warranty should work just fine, as the miner is incorporated. Nothing wrong with that card either. But that is rare. I'd not buy 3090 or any FE second hand - NVIDIA specifically says they will NOT honour any 2nd hand warranties, these aren't transferable at all.

chroniclard · 5 Nov 2022 at 12:59

Dave2150 said:
Check MM, ebay, they are selling daily for this price. There's a huge demand for 3080, 3090, 3090ti 2nd hand. Whether you like it or not, people want and are buying them. This is a big part of why Nvidia has 80% of the dGPU marketshare IMO.

Denying that this is happening, while the evidence is right in front of you, means you just can't accept reality.

Why wouldnt there be a demand. Which reality are we denying.....this is more low rent trolling.

kieran_read · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:01

I wouldn't be too worried personally about mining cards, GPUs are designed to run max out all the time without fail, and most miners would undervolt or run at lower frequencies for the most efficiency.

gpuerrilla · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:01

Dave2150 said:
There's a boatload of £700 3090's available 2nd hand, that's what the majority will buy IMO.

and 3080Ti's!

Nexus18 · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:01

This seems appropriate but remember, amd are the saviours!!! Just don't look at their latest cpus either

Personally I would stomp up the extra for a 7800xtx over a used 3090 going for £700 though but reality is, in UK, 7800xtx will likely cost an extra £100-200 over MSRP....

uscool · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:02

Dave2150 said:
Check MM, ebay, they are selling daily for this price. There's a huge demand for 3080, 3090, 3090ti 2nd hand. Whether you like it or not, people want and are buying them. This is a big part of why Nvidia has 80% of the dGPU marketshare IMO.

Denying that this is happening, while the evidence is right in front of you, means you just can't accept reality.

hmm thats gonna hurt sales of ampere chips they still need to get rid off .. thats why they priced the 4080 16gb £1269 nice price hike from 3080 £650

guess also price hikes lower down the stacks as well 4070 £600 - £700 ?guess it depends on AMD what they have to offer down the stack

If they priced the 4080 16gb at £700-£750 would have made AMD rethink pricing of the 7900 would have been win win for the consumer oh well maybe next gen might be something for the peasants

Joxeon · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:03

Dave2150 said:
Check MM, ebay, they are selling daily for this price. There's a huge demand for 3080, 3090, 3090ti 2nd hand. Whether you like it or not, people want and are buying them. This is a big part of why Nvidia has 80% of the dGPU marketshare IMO.

Denying that this is happening, while the evidence is right in front of you, means you just can't accept reality.

The only reason people are buying used is because new prices for 2 year old cards suck while the new cards Ada cards will start at £1300.

humbug · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:03

kieran_read said:
I would be content for that design to be in my PC haha lets put it that way i think it's simple which is all i need.
I don't need these stupid "GAMER EDITION SHROUDS" on my products lol

Yeah i think a lot of these AIB designs are quite ugly.

I like EVGA, i have a huge amount of respect for them, i have one of their PSU's and EVGA is what i will be looking for when it come to replacing it.

I realise beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but look at this thing.... the proportions are all wrong, the moulded logos on the fans make it look like it has the pox, the texture on the shroud makes it look cheap, the shape makes it look thrumpy, the enormous light bar at the top is completely over the top and what is with the Golf GTI lipstick on the end of it?

gpuerrilla · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:03

uscool said:
hmm thats gonna hurt sales of ampere chips they still need to get rid off .. thats why they priced the 4080 16gb £1269 nice price hike from 3080 £650

If they priced the 4080 16gb at £700-£750 would have made AMD rethink pricing of the 7900 would have been win win for the consumer oh well maybe next gen might be something for the peasants

So lets get back to the real world for a moment.. 40 series cards £1700+ yep.

Joxeon · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:08

gpuerrilla said:
So lets get back to the real world for a moment.. 40 series cards £1700+ yep.

Yeap, affordable raytracing for the masses right there and people wonder why Devs can't be bothered adding more and better effects.

Nexus18 · 5 Nov 2022 at 13:09

Joxeon said:
Yeap, affordable raytracing for the masses right there and people wonder why Devs can't be bothered adding more and better effects.

Don't want to take this thread into the RT argument again so will link to a more appopiate thread, worth reading this post when we talk about "affordable ray tracing":

The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.

So basically the developer lied. They tried to blame the Xbox series S for weak performance when in reality the game runs poor on all systems due to poor CPU utilisation that holds back the GPU. It looks like to get 60fps you need a CPU that's twice as fast in single thread as the one all the...

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