RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[gpuerrilla]

Yeap, affordable raytracing for the masses right there and people wonder why Devs can't be bothered adding more and better effects.

I am all for ray tracing, but it shouldn't be extreme £££'s paying directly for that feature. Suddenly the cards that were 'playing x title just fine' a few weeks back 'lol you just need to turn settingz down' are suddenly sub-par?

As mentioned already the mass gamer in the steam hardware survey buying games is not able to dream of this on their 1060, the latest consoles struggle with it and the devs cant be arsed unless nvidia are shovelling some cash at them to promote it.

 

[ade64]

anybody know what size the cards are and their psu requirements yet? or did i miss that info.

 

[uscool]

anybody know what size the cards are and their psu requirements yet? or did i miss that info.

Minimum PSU Recommendation
800 W

Dimensions
Length
287 mm
Slot Size
2.5 slots

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx

 

[ade64]

Minimum PSU Recommendation
800 W

Dimensions
Length
287 mm
Slot Size
2.5 slots

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx

thanks , will fit in my 4000d ok then. like that case a lot. need a slightly bigger psu but can stick the old one in my other pc

 

[Joxeon]

I am all for ray tracing, but it shouldn't be extreme £££'s paying directly for that feature. Suddenly the cards that were 'playing x title just fine' a few weeks back 'lol you just need to turn settingz down' are suddenly sub-par?

As mentioned already the mass gamer in the steam hardware survey buying games is not able to dream of this on their 1060, the latest consoles struggle with it and the devs cant be arsed unless nvidia are shovelling some cash at them to promote it.

I'd argue that AMD has got the balance right here where they are able to improve raster and RT by more than 50% over last gen without increasing the prices. And this means they will offer better raster and RT than nvidia can for all its cards under £1000.

 

[humbug]

Yeap, affordable raytracing for the masses right there and people wonder why Devs can't be bothered adding more and better effects.

They all sit and wait for a cheque from Nvidia, not that i think there is anything wrong with GPU vendors partnering with game developers, on the contrary i think its good, quite a lot of the time, both AMD and Nvidia have their own game development R&D that has pushed games forward.

But like you said it can also be used to create problems for which they sell the solution.

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[uscool]

I think nvidia might be in a pickle down the stack, if AMD keep the pricing to last gen was fully expecting Nvidia to hike the price down the stack as well, and RT performance is low anyway down you go to make it worth while

and this is where most of the market is so could be interesting

 

[gpuerrilla]

I'd argue that AMD has got the balance right here where they are able to improve raster and RT by more than 50% over last gen without increasing the prices. And this means they will offer better raster and RT than nvidia can for all its cards under £1000.

I reckon if the ampere backlog was not so severe, we could have seen a reasonable 4080 around £800 to start off the fight. The gap between the old 3080 and the 4090 is now huge and the prices are just way off mark across the gens.

 

[Stanners]

Tired of the childish bickering, a group of you have pushed it to far. Strikes and suspensions will be given later when I get time to clean this and other threads.

 

[Joxeon]

I reckon if the ampere backlog was not so severe, we could have seen a reasonable 4080 around £800 to start off the fight. The gap between the old 3080 and the 4090 is now huge and the prices are just way off mark across the gens.

Yeah I think your right but it's now leading to a situation where AMD will be the premium RT and raster deliverer for the mainstream.

Nvidia will now be behind in RT since we know the 4080 12gb was worse than ampere in raster while matching in RT and now it's cancelled nvidia will almost certainly bring out the 4070 with further die cuts and less cuda than the 4080 12gb to save face.

 

[LtMatt]

Yeah in another 5yrs that might be true for RT but by then the there will be another 2-3 generations of cards by both companies when it actually matters.

I brought the 6900xt cause I didn't care about RT. I don't need to buy this gen but unless I play a handful of games specifically I'd always be buying a 7900xtx this generation.

RT is not worth a 50%+ cost difference.

Does it still whine?

 

[kieran_read]

I reckon if the ampere backlog was not so severe, we could have seen a reasonable 4080 around £800 to start off the fight. The gap between the old 3080 and the 4090 is now huge and the prices are just way off mark across the gens.

That's a posibility, there have been reports too that both Nvidia and AMD tried to get out of some of the silicon purchases as they ordered too much based on the mining boom.
Looks like AMD went sell as much as possible route and Nvidia went clear the old stock first route.

 

[Dave2150]

Why wouldnt there be a demand. Which reality are we denying.....this is more low rent trolling.

My point was simple - there'll be more 3080's, 3090, 3090ti's "sold" (2nd hand) than there will be RX7000 series bought from new - as Nvidia is so much more popular. RT performance on AMD's flagship being equal to 3080, is also a big reason, though Nvidia's popularity/mind share is more responsible.

I think it's trolling to deny the sheer amount of 3000 series cards being bought on MM, the bay, 2nd hand right now. Why is this so hard to accept? Many have clearly decided that paying £700-900 for a 2nd hand Nvidia 3000 series card is more preferable to waiting for AMD's lacklustre flagship.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yeah I think your right but it's now leading to a situation where AMD will be the premium RT and raster deliverer for the mainstream.

Nvidia will now be behind in RT since we know the 4080 12gb was worse than ampere in raster while matching in RT and now it's cancelled nvidia will almost certainly bring out the 4070 with further die cuts and less cuda than the 4080 12gb to save face.

Good point. If it plays out right, next refresh and RDNA4 could be like the ryzen moment where they turn the screw keeping cost low but performance jacks up another leg.

 

[Nexus18]

Haven't seen people talk about FSR 3/frame generation much or maybe I have missed it. But thoughts on it? Is it going to be compatible with older amd gpus as well as nvidia gpus?

Yeah I think your right but it's now leading to a situation where AMD will be the premium RT and raster deliverer for the mainstream.

Nvidia will now be behind in RT since we know the 4080 12gb was worse than ampere in raster while matching in RT and now it's cancelled nvidia will almost certainly bring out the 4070 with further die cuts and less cuda than the 4080 12gb to save face.

Thing is we haven't seen any RT games where they are using nvidias new methods/optimisations for 40xx so chances are when that is implemented, the difference could be substantial, think CP 2077 overdrive mode and portal rtx will be the first titles to show this and plague tale when it gets its RT update.

• Shader Execution Reordering (SER) reorders and parallelizes the execution of threads that trace rays, without compromising image quality.
• Opacity Micromaps accelerate ray tracing workloads by encoding the surface opacity directly onto the geometry, drastically reducing expensive opacity evaluation during ray traversal, and enabling higher quality acceleration structures to be constructed. This technique is especially beneficial when applied to irregularly-shaped or translucent objects, like foliage and fences. On GeForce RTX 40 Series graphics cards, the Opacity Micromap format is directly decodable by ray tracing hardware, improving performance even further.
• NVIDIA Real Time Denoisers (NRD) is a spatio-temporal ray tracing denoising library that assists in denoising low ray-per-pixel signals with real-time performance. Compared to previous-gen denoisers, NRD improves quality and ensures the computationally intensive ray-traced output is noise-free, without performance tradeoffs.

Our new Shader Execution Reordering (SER) technology dynamically reorganizes these previously-inefficient workloads into considerably more efficient ones, improving shader performance by up to 2X, and in-game frame rates by up to 25%!

 

[uscool]

My point was simple - there'll be more 3080's, 3090, 3090ti's "sold" (2nd hand) than there will be RX7000 series bought from new - as Nvidia is so much more popular. RT performance on AMD's flagship being equal to 3080, is also a big reason, though Nvidia's popularity/mind share is more responsible.

I think it's trolling to deny the sheer amount of 3000 series cards being bought on MM, the bay, 2nd hand right now. Why is this so hard to accept? Many have clearly decided that paying £700-900 for a 2nd hand Nvidia 3000 series card is more preferable to waiting for AMD's lacklustre flagship.

isnt its raster performance getting close to the 4090 ? looking at some charts and that means will be well ahead of 30 series ? RT isnt everything mostly only used for single and slow based games and surely can do 60fps and help with FSR ?

 

[Frenzy]

isnt its rastar performance getting close to the 4090 ? looking at some charts and that means will be well ahead of 30 series ? RT isnt everything mostly only used for single and slow based games and surely can do 60fps and help with FSR ?

That's what I thought.

It's a shame AMD and Nvidia are using smoke and mirrors for marketing. I really don't care about DLSS or FSR as they both make the image quality worse. There's also the additional latency, I mean come on...

 

[uscool]

Haven't seen people talk about FSR 3/frame generation much or maybe I have missed it. But thoughts on it? Is it going to be compatible with older amd gpus as well as nvidia gpus?



Thing is we haven't seen any RT games where they are using nvidias new methods/optimisations for 40xx so chances are when that is implemented, the difference could be substantial, think CP 2077 overdrive mode and portal rtx will be the first titles to show this and plague tale when it gets its RT update.

yes FSR 3.0 will be available for older gpus thats why it takes longer to get released , Frank talked about it would be much easier and released quicker if they just made it for Rdna3 but they are taking the harder route

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[Nexus18]

isnt its raster performance getting close to the 4090 ? looking at some charts and that means will be well ahead of 30 series ? RT isnt everything mostly only used for single and slow based games and surely can do 60fps and help with FSR ?

It is.

That's why I keep saying RDNA 3 is great but only for those on older/weaker ampere range, turing and RDNA 2. The problem is for those who do care for RT and have a 3080/3090 level of card, there is no real good upgrade "overall" @ < £1+k for us. Of course top end ampere and RDNA 3 gpus are still pretty good for RT titles as of "now", the problem will be with future RT titles where RT is dialled up further, who knows, with amd now having FSR 3/FG, they might even want to push the boundaries a bit more now and for those who don't want to use such tech, they can always just turn off/reduce the settings.

yes FSR 3.0 will be available for older gpus thats why it takes longer to get released , Frank talked about it would be much easier and released quicker if they just made it for Rdna3 but they are taking the harder route

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I suspect reason they are taking longer is largely more because it was a bit of a last minute thing for them after seeing nvidias FG/dlss 3 and they learnt from rdna 2 by not having a dlss competitor, it hurt them a fair bit. Hopefully it will work on ampere too Might even force nvidia to unlock dlss 3/fg for ampere

 

[humbug]

That's what I thought.

It's a shame AMD and Nvidia are using smoke and mirrors for marketing. I really don't care about DLSS or FSR as they both make the image quality worse. There's also the additional latency, I mean come on...

They did but they also gave a straight up raster performance increase over the 6950XT, 1.5X to 1.7X

I rounded that to +55% and checked TPU's 4K avrage, what i got was 94.5% of the performance of the 4090.

RT is also up 50 to 60%, at 55% that puts it in line with a 3090 is Cyberpunk, which is worst case.

So at worst RT is around a 3090.

While raster is just under a 4090.

Its cheaper than both and uses 100 watts less power.