RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[Tired9]

That isn't really performance equivalent is it, if this discussion is about performance per watt.

Max OC anything isn't what AMD (or Nvidia) are selling or advertising.

RTX 4070 is also rumoured to be 285W. Not that outlandish number.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2475 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1725 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

It is 70 vs 70, obviously it will be faster you dork

 

[muon]

It is 70 vs 70, obviously it will be faster you dork

This discussion is literally about performance per watt, and you throw in two differently performing cards (without saying the difference) and an outlandish 450W estimate for the card.

450W vs 250W is a 200W difference.

At most for comparable performance levels efficient versus inefficient means a 100W difference. A good example is the 3090 ti at 450w vs rtx 3090 at 350w and that is at the top end.

 

[Twinz]

Yet you bought a 3080 Ti. So did you care?

Yes I cared.

If I can get ~60%+ more performance from two different cards, I will buy the one that does so whilst generating less heat. (Assuming similar prices, because money matters too)

 

[Tired9]

This discussion is literally about performance per watt, and you throw in two differently performing cards (without saying the difference) and an outlandish 450W estimate for the card.

They all perform differently LOL, the GTX 480 was literally a solid 100% faster than the GTX 280, still it could heat my house and the barn in the nearest field running PAC-MAN.
I will never return to a GPU that exceeds 250w based on that experience, living hell.

 

[humbug]

That isn't really performance equivalent is it, if this discussion is about performance per watt.

Max OC anything isn't what AMD (or Nvidia) are selling or advertising.

RTX 4070 is also rumoured to be 285W. Not that outlandish number.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2475 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Specs

NVIDIA GA104, 1725 MHz, 5888 Cores, 184 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

30% more shaders with 50% higher clocks.

Its probably about 70% faster on average. vs vanilla 3070. and 12GB wohoo....

285 watts is not bad.

 

[Angilion]

Just went back and checked she said over 50%.

For all cards, comparing at the same wattage or the same performance? Did she nail anything down?

Regarding your example it does not work because voltage curves (?) are not linear so the efficiency of the 360w card would increase as the voltage is reduced. It is widely accepted that you either test at the same wattage or you show the card achieving the same result with half the power.

Yes AMD could pull some shenanigans but they would be slated by everyone if they tried that.

No change, then. Most if not all companies pull whatever shenanigans they think they can get away with in order to portray their products as favourably as possible. There's criticism of it and nothing changes. It's only briefly an issue (and even then almost always only in specialist coverage) if a company misjudges how far they can go with being misleading.

We'll find out fairly soon, probably. I'll stand by this:

I think there will be an overall improvement in performance per watt, including for comparable performance, but I'd be surprised if it was >50% improvement across the board.

Maybe I'll be surprised. It would be a nice surprise.

 

[muon]

30% more shaders with 50% higher clocks.

Its probably about 70% faster on average. vs vanilla 3070. and 12GB wohoo....

Just can't help get in an nvidia dig while you can.

 

[humbug]

Just can't help get in an nvidia dig while you can.

Oh come on, i'm happy its 12GB.

 

[Tired9]

Just can't help get in an nvidia dig while you can.

Well I knida agree with the dude, if it is sucking down Nuclear levels of power, you best be giving us full chops.
192-Bit and 12GB GDDR6X, the cut backs are weird.

Got the bone, where is the (Can't believe that is censored LOL) meat?

 

[gpuerrilla]

This discussion is literally about performance per watt..

I cant find the post where you were doubting they will hit or exceed 50% but they went with this slide (target) for RDNA1 > RDNA2 and the rumour mill was mentioning they hit this weeks back. They have some headroom to push clocks higher (as seen with recent claims of hitting 4Ghz) but I would rather they stuck to their efficiency aim. This gen I think they will hit that again. The more pertinent feature for diehards is where will the ray tracing performance be relative to Ada..

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I wouldn't get too excited just yet, don't forget RDNA2 was 65% performance watt over RDNA1 according to AMD https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/rdna-2 yet comparing the 150w 5600XT to the 160w 6600XT the performance gain was only around 20% and let's not forget the price increased by 36%.

While true, if you compare 6600xt to the 5700xt it is 160w vs 225w. So you get 10% more performance from the 6600xt while using 30% less power.

Based on @humbug post, It seems the performance per watt gain for RDNA 2 may increase as the board power increased

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

AMD is shovelling coal into the hype train.

Looking ahead, we’re continuing our push for more efficient gaming with AMD RDNA™ 3 architecture. As the first AMD graphics architecture to leverage the 5nm process and our chiplet packaging technology, AMD RDNA™ 3 is on track to deliver an estimated >50 percent better performance per watt than AMD RDNA™ 2 architecture[6] – truly bringing top-of-the-line gaming performance to gamers in cool, quiet, and energy-conscious designs.

Contributing to this energy-conscious design, AMD RDNA™ 3 refines the AMD RDNA™ 2 adaptive power management technology to set workload-specific operating points, ensuring each component of the GPU uses only the power it requires for optimal performance. The new architecture also introduces a new generation of AMD Infinity Cache™, projected to offer even higher-density, lower-power caches to reduce the power needs of graphics memory, helping to cement AMD RDNA™ 3 and Radeon™ graphics as a true leader in efficiency.

We’re thrilled with the improvements we’re making with AMD RDNA™ 3 and its predecessors, and we believe there’s even more to be pulled from our architectures and advanced process technologies, delivering unmatched performance per watt across the stack as we continue our push for better gaming.

Advancing Performance-Per-Watt to Benefit Gamers

By: Sam Naffziger, Senior Vice President, Corporate Fellow, and Product Technology Architect The demand for immersive, realistic gaming experiences is constantly pushing the boundaries of technology, driving enhancements to support features like raytracing, variable rate shading, and advanced...

community.amd.com

 

[Nexus18]

I wonder if their 50% more efficient could be talking about ray tracing performance/efficiency Given how poor RDNA 2 is for it.

Going to be interesting either way to see if this will be a "universal" thing or generally like most companies PR talk/slides, under a very certain set of conditions and settings.

 

[Nexus18]

AMD’s Dr. Lisa Su to Keynote Live at CES® 2023​

So that means no products till next year then? Or is amd holding a different press conference this year? If the former, bit underwhelming that:

- either they are confident they'll smash nvidia so aren't bothered about not having anything on the market to compete with nvidia for months but then surely if you had something that was going to be very competitive/beat your competition, you would want to get it out sooner than later.....
- having supply issues?
- won't be competitive with nvidia?

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

AMD’s Dr. Lisa Su to Keynote Live at CES® 2023​

So that means no products till next year then? Or is amd holding a different press conference this year? If the former, bit underwhelming that:

- either they are confident they'll smash nvidia so aren't bothered about not having anything on the market to compete with nvidia for months but then surely if you had something that was going to be very competitive/beat your competition, you would want to get it out sooner than later.....
- having supply issues?
- won't be competitive with nvidia?

 

[Nexus18]

can't answer/address point so insert off topic/silly content

Once again, can you explain how this is bait?

Are you telling me that amd will just release the gpus without Lisa doing a press conference? Hence my question, is there anything planned for this year?

And if it means no products till next year.....

Why is this when nvidia are looking to be releasing as soon as this/next month?

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Once again, can you explain how this is bait?

Are you telling me that amd will just release the gpus without Lisa doing a press conference? Hence my question, is there anything planned for this year?

And if so.....

Why is this when nvidia are looking to be releasing as soon as this/next month?

Let me pretend like you are being serious.
Lisa Su Literally confirmed that it is launching later this year.
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AMD Reveals Next Generation RDNA 3 GPU (Watch the Demo)

AMD's CEO Lisa Su gives the first public demo of the new AMD Radeon RX GPU running the game Liza P by Neowiz.Never miss a deal again! See CNET’s browser exte...

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Could there be delay. yeah it is possible. A delay this late in the game. Highly improbable (something like their warehouse of RDNA3 GPUs would need burn down for a delay to occur. Or Nvidia launching an absolute dud.). Does your link say that RDNA 3 is delayed. No it does not.

You are making **** up about RDNA3 being delayed for a reaction. This is bait.

 

[Nexus18]

Let me pretend like you are being serious.
Lisa Su Literally confirmed that it is launching later this year.
Skip to 1min 15 seconds

AMD Reveals Next Generation RDNA 3 GPU (Watch the Demo)

AMD's CEO Lisa Su gives the first public demo of the new AMD Radeon RX GPU running the game Liza P by Neowiz.Never miss a deal again! See CNET’s browser exte...

www.youtube.com

Could there be delay. yeah it is possible. A delay this late in the game. Highly improbable (something like their warehouse of RDNA3 GPUs would need burn down for a delay to occur. Or Nvidia launching an absolute dud.). Does your link say that RDNA 3 is delayed. No it does not.

You are making **** up about RDNA3 being delayed for a reaction. This is bait.

Ah so you decided to just be your usual **** like about it then, what a surprise

Hence why I worded this, underlined, in bold and enlarged just for you, also not notice the "?" at the end of the 2 questions:

AMD’s Dr. Lisa Su to Keynote Live at CES® 2023​

So that means no products till next year then? Or is amd holding a different press conference this year? If the former, bit underwhelming that:

- either they are confident they'll smash nvidia so aren't bothered about not having anything on the market to compete with nvidia for months but then surely if you had something that was going to be very competitive/beat your competition, you would want to get it out sooner than later.....
- having supply issues?
- won't be competitive with nvidia?

And where did I say "delayed"? I obviously hadn't read/seen the bit/video where she said "releasing later this year" hence why in my post, I haven't said anything about a "delay" and once again, hence the "?"

So yeah keep on being you....

 

[BigBANGtheory]

CES is where AMD will most likely announce the Zen4 vcache, most people that follow the tech news will know that (incl you Nexus).

I do wonder if Nvidia will dodge pricing altogether at GTC later today to give them flexibility (fleecability) and not help AMD in their announcements

 

[Nexus18]

CES is where AMD will most likely announce the Zen4 vcache, most people that follow the tech news will know that (incl you Nexus).

I do wonder if Nvidia will dodge pricing altogether at GTC later today to give them flexibility (fleecability) and not help AMD in their announcements

I don't really watch the "live"/ces kind of shows as too much waffle and they spend time on a lot of stuff, which I'm not interested in so usually I just catch up from the tech youtubers later on. Makes sense that one will be more on zen4 though, thanks.