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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

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gpuerrilla said:
None of them are your friend. No need to put either brand on a pedestal.
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That's like saying no government is your friend, you can still live in a dictatorship or a western democracy with some standards though. General treatment, respect, price gouging and things seem worse on the Nvidia side at the moment especially with these direct lies and cons, such as the rtx 4080 stuff they are pulling. Their price increases and focus on miners over gamers is leaving only the most uneducated consumer realising what is happening. Still, that's not to say it's all bad but they really are taking the mess compared to what we've come to expect from AMD so far. We can reserve judgement on AMD until they show their hand but Nvidia's showing was outright anti-consumer lies and price gouging. I'd judge AMD on their open source past and generally greater consumer friendliness in the past, things can change but until they do then Nvidia are the bad actors on the scene right now.

I'm impartial, I honestly believe the RTX remix stuff looked amazing for what it was but I understand that games will be games and they will be fun and look good anyway. It's not like the hype of a few old games getting a bit better graphics (when I'll likely be playing mostly newer games for new experiences that come with even better graphics) will be impossible to resist. As long as AMD improves on FSR and throws out good performance and price then I'd easily jump on their side to try help counter Nvidia's greed and price adjustments for gamers.
 
Nexus18 said:
it seems they still aren't taking AI and ray tracing seriously, which is a massive oversight imo
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Nvidia took AI and RT seriously and it gave us a 600mm2 die, that is expensive produce and can not be sold at a good price unless Nvidia is willing to drop its margins.

I’m also not convinced that Nvidia is taking RT as seriously as they say but that is another story.
 
Grim5 said:
Until we get reviews, the only sort of apples to apples RT numbers who have for RTx4000 is using Nvidias published numbers that it uses for its RT cores

4080 16gb has 76 RT cores, each is rated for 1.5tflop = 114 tflops of RT performance

4090 has 128 RT cores, each is rated for 1.5tflop = 192tflops of RT performance

RTX3090ti has 84 RT cores, each is rated for 0.92tflops = 77tflops of RT performance

You'll notice that each RT core for RTX4000 has a large improvement in tflop performance output and much of this is because RTX4000 GPU clock speeds are about 50% to 60% higher than RTX3000

These numbers aren't perfect, the problem is that RT effects don't make up 100% of time processing a new frame, so you can double, triple, quadruple RT performance while only having small framerate improvement if RT effects only make up small portion of the frametime.

What you can say from this, the new 4080 and 4090 have greatly more powerful RT output, but games are not made up of 100% RT affects so the actual improvement in gaming framerate will not be known until review day
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Unless those RT effects get more complex or you start doing RT/PT only.

Chuk_Chuk said:
Nvidia took AI and RT seriously and it gave us a 600mm2 die, that is expensive produce and can not be sold at a good price unless Nvidia is willing to drop its margins.

I’m also not convinced that Nvidia is taking RT as seriously as they say but that is another story.
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While AMD sells everything at a bargain. :cry:
 
AMD have already positioned their old cards.

6950XT at $949.
6800XT at $599.

Should be easy to predict their new card prices.

I think they will slot in the top card at something like $1199 and then plug in the ones below in the $600-$950 range.

6950XT original MSRP was $1099 and 6900XT was $999. I don't think prices are going down.
 
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Should have prefaced that prior post by saying if slower then comp. If trade blows:
7950XT $1199
7900XT $1099
7800XT $899
7700XT $399
7600XT $299
AMD models only
:D

If they beat the comp by a sizable margin? I don't want to know..
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I actually think the prices are okay for the rumoured specs. The rumoured spec for 7800XT puts it ahead of the 3090 Ti and probably the 4080 16GB.
 
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