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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

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Any tldr? Can't watch video atm
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I just watched the whole video and I think I can reasonably provide a summary of the actual information in it. Two things come to mind. The old TV program "Blankety Blank" and technical manuals with blank pages labelled "This page intentionally left blank".

Lots of speculation, lots of claims of anonymous individuals leaking stuff to him, lots of video of irrelevant things such as promo material for Geforce 3000 and 4000 series, Radeon 5000 and 6000 series and Intel Arc. A few static images of things that might or might not be true and which are already well known anyway. Many caveats about how the things he's saying might or might not be true and/or might or might not have been true in the past but are no longer true (e.g. details might well have changed during development). Nothing of substance.

The speculation is plausible and probably some of it is probably true. Probably. But it says nothing about ray tracing performance and nothing about pricing because nothing is known about either. Not even speculation. The alleged secret sources claimed by the presenter allegedly variously described ray tracing performance on the top end RDNA3 cards in radically different terms, so even the speculation about RT performance ranges from disappointing to competitive with a Geforce 4090. So that's completely useless. Nothing at all about pricing, which is what really matters. A card with raster on a par with a 6900XT and RT on a par with a 3090 (vaguely average speculation about the lower end desktop rdna3 sku) and costing £400 is in effect completely different to that card costing £800. A card on a par with a 4090 in everything (vaguely average speculation about the higher end desktop rdna3 SKU) and costing £1000 is in effect completely different to that card costing £2000. The only speculation regarding pricing is that it's probably cheaper to make an rdna3 card than it is to make a comparable Ada card or Arc card. Probably. Speculatively. Even if that's true, it wouldn't necessarily be reflected in the retail price of the cards. Also...cheaper to make, probably...but by how much? 5%? 10%? 40%? The amount matters a great deal.

I'm still hovering indecisively between buying a second hand card in the £400-£500 range, a new card in that range or waiting to see what happens with rdna3. I don't expect rdna3 to make any significant difference. I think AMD will mirror nvidia - a couple of halo cards at "lol suckers!" prices. Mirror nvidia with one exception - AMD probably won't launch a low midrange card and falsely label it as a high end card. They'll have seen that even nvidia didn't get away with that. But for the rest, I expect to see AMD announcing only two cards about the same as a 4090 and 4080 and at slightly lower prices. But only slightly.

But maybe I'll be wrong and AMD will announce a full range with a 7600XT that beats a 3090 on everything and which costs £400 and which uses 200W.
 
Last time the guy had good inside access, probably was the first channel to leak the possibility of an infinity cache..
But looks like noones drip feeding him in this cycle. Maybe amd don't have a winner or it's not going to be economical for consumers..
Though he did talk abt a Radeon with 2 gcd's but then brushed it off saying it would be a professional card given how he is hearing that amd has a while to figure out how a multi gcd implementation can be actually used in real time rendering apps
 
Angilion said:
I'm still hovering indecisively between buying a second hand card in the £400-£500 range, a new card in that range or waiting to see what happens with rdna3. I don't expect rdna3 to make any significant difference. I think AMD will mirror nvidia - a couple of halo cards at "lol suckers!" prices. Mirror nvidia with one exception - AMD probably won't launch a low midrange card and falsely label it as a high end card. They'll have seen that even nvidia didn't get away with that. But for the rest, I expect to see AMD announcing only two cards about the same as a 4090 and 4080 and at slightly lower prices. But only slightly.

But maybe I'll be wrong and AMD will announce a full range with a 7600XT that beats a 3090 on everything and which costs £400 and which uses 200W.
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Same boat. Checking used 3080s daily and still thinking they're not worth it with potential warranty problems, especially that I already had to send one back. However, getting a new 3080 at this point would make me feel pretty dumb.

Hovering between that, waiting for RDNA3 and just leaving PC gaming for a year and getting a console.

Don't have much hope for RDNA3 but but I'll happily jump ship if it turns out good.
 
@gpuerrilla Yeah, leaning towards this option for real. Haven't had a console for a good few years and still having some doubts but it'd be a decent stopgap with the current situation.

I reckon anything on console will still look miles better on a 55" Oled than on my old 1440p Benq monitor and I can't be bothered moving my PC between rooms all the time.

If RDNA3 sucks, I'll go back in a year or so when I hopefully won't have to buy two-year-old tech at MSRP or help a miner recoup costs. Then it's ultrawide QD-Oled time and whatever GPU makes sense.
 
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@gpuerrilla Yeah, leaning towards this option for real. Haven't had a console for a good few years and still having some doubts but it'd be a decent stopgap with the current situation.

I reckon anything on console will still look miles better on a 55" Oled than on my old 1440p Benq monitor and I can't be bothered moving my PC between rooms all the time.

If RDNA3 sucks, I'll go back in a year or so when I hopefully won't have to buy two-year-old tech at MSRP or help a miner recoup costs. Then it's ultrawide QD-Oled time and whatever GPU makes sense.
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Consoles are great this gen. Series X looks superb on a 65 OLED, been playing it a bit lately due to not much taking my fancy on PC.
 
there are 2 ways of looking at it - either get used to the ms gamepass constraints or buy games freely
if you are looking at the second scenario the total cost of ownership of the 1080 ti system is much lower than series x will ever be
but scenario 1 is the best case that needs some sacrificing of freedom..
and anyways the gamepass isnt going to be a perpetually cheap service, they would too at some point in time start doubling prices and we would have the same reactions here on the forums that the rtx 40 launch had
 
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PS5 and Series X really are cracking bits of kit. Primarily PS5 here but as I have Game Pass on PC I couldn't resist a series X as well. In fact its Plague tail on Game pass just released today :-)
 
I'm happy to sit this generation out on my 6800 XT, but then I've fallen out of love with PC gaming ATM, not many games I really want to play that I haven't played already or are releasing soon. The games I am enjoying don't even require the hardware I have, let alone something more powerful. Just as well because I'd be priced out anyway, especially with the extra mortgage I'm paying and bills soon to go through the roof!
 
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@gpuerrilla Yeah, leaning towards this option for real. Haven't had a console for a good few years and still having some doubts but it'd be a decent stopgap with the current situation.

I reckon anything on console will still look miles better on a 55" Oled than on my old 1440p Benq monitor and I can't be bothered moving my PC between rooms all the time.

If RDNA3 sucks, I'll go back in a year or so when I hopefully won't have to buy two-year-old tech at MSRP or help a miner recoup costs. Then it's ultrawide QD-Oled time and whatever GPU makes sense.
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There are three reasons why I haven't already bought a console:

i) Keyboard and mouse. Vastly superior, more comfortable and healthier than a controller. I can always use my HOTAS or controller with my PC for games that aren't well suited to KB+M. But my use of a controller is limited because my right thumb has been damaged by using a controller, so I strongly avoid using a controller.
ii) Mods. I only play single player games and using mods is a huge bonus in many games. Adding better graphics support for old games, resolving UI things that irritate me, adding some more stuff to build with and all the way up to and including major DLC and complete game overhauls.
iii) Performance. Consoles get a lot out of their hardware due to specialisation and optimisation, but they are cut down budget PCs from 2 or 3 generations ago. They not bad. But they're not good either.


So even without the savings in buying games on PC, I will still pay double a console price for a gaming PC and consider it good value. But triple, quadruple, quintuple...not good value in comparison.

And I'm still hovering indecisively over what to buy. Second hand 3070/3070 Ti? 3080 would require me to buy a new PSU as well, which makes it worse value for money. Second hand 6800/6800XT? 16GB, but mediocre RT performance and I think RT looks like something that will stick around. New 3060 Ti? Rather meh for the cost. Wait for AMD to say something about rdna3? I doubt if that announcement will have anything to say about anything relevant to me. If I wanted a halo card with money no object I would have bought a 4090 (and a new PSU). Wait until who knows when for <£500 Geforce 4000 or Radeon RX7000 cards? Which might or might not be any good at all.

Or just carry on playing indie games with low requirements that my 1070Ti handles at 1440 with no problem. Apart from 7 Days to Die, a game that's been in alpha for 9 years, has never been optimised in any way, has massive memory leakage and which won't run very well on any PC as a result. Maybe a PC with 64GB of memory, but I suspect that after a while of play it would eat even that much.

Eh...maybe I'll make a decision tomorrow :)
 
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