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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022
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Where did 203mm come from?
PS5 and Series X really are cracking bits of kit. Primarily PS5 here but as I have Game Pass on PC I couldn't resist a series X as well. In fact its Plague tail on Game pass just released today
Yea and no.
They are good value for money in this market even after their price increases, but they are also already getting outdated in performance.
Plagues tale runs at 1080p-1440p 30fps on an ps5 and series x and it's not even running at equivalent to PC graphics settings and on ps5 in particular the framerate drops down to 25fps in some parts. A PC with the latest and greatest GPU can run at higher quality settings and 4k 60fps to 100fps.
As I said though, the consoles are still good value for money, mainly because the entry level of hardware market is non existent, no one makes entry GPUs anymore. But when these consoles were released they were very comparable to a high end PC GPU and today the high end PC GPUs are 4 to 5 times more powerful
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Oh don't get me wrong, I am fully aware that the top end kit is more powerful but these boxes are really really good value for what you get in them..plague tail is badly optimised however running it last night on a 120hz tv you get 40fps and it's decent. I still have a very decent PC (5900x and rx6800) but it's not like last gen where the difference is hugely noticeable and my best gaming experiences in the last two years have been PS5.
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Keep in mind that whatever RDNA3 ends up being, its likely a PS5 'Pro' will use it and it could come by this time next year.
PC Gaming is OK but being able to jump into a game in seconds with friends with, minimal faff is something a PC can't match. I don't really miss 120hz as much as I thought i would either. And yes, 65 inch OLED TV gaming is awesome, especially at night.
If a PS5 Pro appears I will be willing to queue for one in the rain, can't say i would do that for a GPU.
PC Gaming is OK but being able to jump into a game in seconds with friends with, minimal faff is something a PC can't match. I don't really miss 120hz as much as I thought i would either. And yes, 65 inch OLED TV gaming is awesome, especially at night.
If a PS5 Pro appears I will be willing to queue for one in the rain, can't say i would do that for a GPU.
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Same here. There are no recent games or any in the pipeline I see that both interest me and need extra performance above my 3090. 75% of the games I play are those I continue to go back to from years back: the newer Deus Ex's, Skyrim, Witcher 3, Thief series, XCOM series etc. I'm half way through replaying the BioShock remastered series and it's as enjoyable as any game released in the past year -- my laptop with a 2080 Super (~2060 desktop performance) can crank that at 4k without sweating.
That said, if AMD launches with a £750 card that is 30-40% faster and matches RT on my 3090 AND has reasonable power usage, I may be tempted. It they follow the pricing/performance model nV's set, I'm out.
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Old rumour from Mildred iirc.
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Only a couple of weeks now!
Yep preorder will be going in at midnight when announced, rumours on the grapevine (yeah I know its Neogaf) is that the mid gen hardware kits have arrived with Devs a few weeks ago. So hopefully end of 2023 we will see them, relatively cheap upgrade as well if you sell your old box
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Interesting reddit discussion, lots think the current hardware is not being pushed.
At 1080p would be the caveat. It won't match at 4K and 1440p it will probably be a bit behind.
4k shaders at > 3Ghz though has the theoretical throughput to match the 6900XT in shader heavy titles provided those 4k shaders are a true doubling instead of just an increase in FP32 without the increase in INT ala Ampere and at 1080p the memory bandwidth and L3 cache should be enough bandwidth.
Angstronomics article where SkyJuice lays out the specs of N31, N32 and N33.
But Plague is a bit of an outlier, you'll get drops below 60fps on a 3080 at 1440p with DLSS, a two-year-old-gpu that costs more than an XSX.
If I have to pay that for a used card and still get drops while having to play on my old monitor, I'd rather fire up the Oled and get used to 40fps VRR
The latest and greatest that gives you 100fps at 4k (still with DLSS) costs more than all the current gen consoles combined.
Of course consoles aren't the best but they're pretty good for the price and I'm sure Plague will get better optimised. Quite a lot of games have a 60fps mode.
If I had a choice, I'd absolutely grab a 4090 and an ultrawide qd-oled screen but it's hardly reasonable.
I don't think I'll ever abandon PC gaming but there's simply nothing that makes sense as an upgrade from a 2070S. If RDNA3 changes that, I'll be happy but otherwise a console at least gives me the option to use my oled for gaming.
My PC is mainly for music and has a few instruments and audio interfaces routed and connected to it, can't be bothered to unplug it all and move the PC between rooms just to play a game on a proper screen.
I'm also pretty sure we'll get a PS5 Pro and an XSX Pro at some point which might be a decent upgrade.
For now, roll on RDNA3 and please be worthwile.
Your just need a second ITX PC for the living room. You get access to Sony games with it which are great on TVs.But Plague is a bit of an outlier, you'll get drops below 60fps on a 3080 at 1440p with DLSS, a two-year-old-gpu that costs more than an XSX.
If I have to pay that for a used card and still get drops while having to play on my old monitor, I'd rather fire up the Oled and get used to 40fps VRR
The latest and greatest that gives you 100fps at 4k (still with DLSS) costs more than all the current gen consoles combined.
Of course consoles aren't the best but they're pretty good for the price and I'm sure Plague will get better optimised. Quite a lot of games have a 60fps mode.
If I had a choice, I'd absolutely grab a 4090 and an ultrawide qd-oled screen but it's hardly reasonable.
I don't think I'll ever abandon PC gaming but there's simply nothing that makes sense as an upgrade from a 2070S. If RDNA3 changes that, I'll be happy but otherwise a console at least gives me the option to use my oled for gaming.
My PC is mainly for music and has a few instruments and audio interfaces routed and connected to it, can't be bothered to unplug it all and move the PC between rooms just to play a game on a proper screen.
I'm also pretty sure we'll get a PS5 Pro and an XSX Pro at some point which might be a decent upgrade.
For now, roll on RDNA3 and please be worthwile.
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MLID said the same thing.
Navi 31: 12,288 Shaders (2.4X)
Navi 21: 5,120 Shaders
Raster performance: 2X+
It also has 2.4X the RT cores and they are reworked, the RT performance should be between 2.5X and 3X
RT performance is not going to be as good as Ada but much closer to it than Navi 21 was to Ampere
If you look at AMD's Navi history they said Navi 21 would have +50% performance per watt over Navi 11, it does and the raster performance is just slightly over 2X faster for 33% more power.
Navi 31 at 400 watts would be 2X Navi 21.
Pinch of salt with all of that ^^^
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Apparently the GPU die on Navi 31 is 308mm2 on TSMC 6nm.
Like Zen 2, 3 and 4 its MCM, it has six 37.5mm2 separate modules that can (like the 5800X3D) but for the first iteration are not 3D stacked, total die size would be 533mm2.
To put that in to perspective the RTX 4090 is built on TSMC 4nm, a more expensive node and its 608mm2, 2X the size of Navi 31 main die.
For Navi 33 (7600XT) somehow AMD have managed to squeeze 4096 Shaders in to a 203mm2 die.
If all this is true, and its a big if, then through advanced technology inovation AMD have just given themselves the same advantage over Nvidia that they have over Intel.
Like Zen 2, 3 and 4 its MCM, it has six 37.5mm2 separate modules that can (like the 5800X3D) but for the first iteration are not 3D stacked, total die size would be 533mm2.
To put that in to perspective the RTX 4090 is built on TSMC 4nm, a more expensive node and its 608mm2, 2X the size of Navi 31 main die.
For Navi 33 (7600XT) somehow AMD have managed to squeeze 4096 Shaders in to a 203mm2 die.
If all this is true, and its a big if, then through advanced technology inovation AMD have just given themselves the same advantage over Nvidia that they have over Intel.
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