RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

JediFragger · 19 Oct 2022 at 20:24

Grim5 said:
rtx4090 is already 2x over 6900xt

My arse;

And that's a comparison to a low clocked reference version of the card.

gpuerrilla · 19 Oct 2022 at 20:28

Yeah I instantly thought that was a bit jensen grade positivity there. They also reckon its more than 2x in real raster.

TNA · 19 Oct 2022 at 20:31

JediFragger said:
My arse;

And that's a comparison to a low clocked reference version of the card.

He does not have talk out of his quite often still unfortunately. Like for example he thinks the reason the 4090 is so fast is because of 24GB vram... Like seriously wtf :cry:

humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:05

Grim5 said:
Nvidia doesn't need Titan based on these rumours.

The rumour says 2x raster performance over 6900xt - rtx4090 is already 2x over 6900xt so the rumour would make the 7900xt and rtx4090 on par with each other

Then the rumour says 2.5x RT performance over 6900xt - rtx4090 is already 4x over the 6900xt so the rumour would place the 7900xt well below the rtx4090 in RT.

When you add these rumours into a package you can see Nvidia can and will keep the 4090 price high and they have no need for a Titan as they will claim another mindshare win over amd.

As for your TPU benchmarks. they are still using a garbage test system that heavily slows down the 4090 that's why their results are so low compared to other reviewers who used the latest parts to test with instead of 2 to 3 year old parts.

The 4090 is 63% faster than the 6900XT.

The TPU results are an average of many games, not just synthetics.

humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:11

This has a little better showing, but not much better and certainly nothing like 2X

Here the 4090 is 69% faster than the 6950XT at 4K.

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 Review

This is our first look at Nvidia's new flagship GeForce RTX 4090 graphics card. We'll find out all you need to know about this next-gen GPU, most...

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humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:28

Wasn't really that interested in RT but now that its been brought up i am.

Absolute worst case scenario for 6950XT RT is Cyberpunk.

It is at 12.7 FPS.
The 4090 is at 41.8 FPS

Both unplayable IMO, its a ridiculous RT willy waving tool from Nvidia.

So, the worst case scenario the RTX 4090 is 3.29X as fast as the 6950XT.
At 2.5X the performance of that would put it at 31.75 FPS.
The 3090Ti is 24.0 FPS, which would make the 7900XT 32% faster.
The 4090 31% faster.

If its anything more than 2.5X better, its getting close enough.

For example at 2.8X the 4090 is only 17% ahead.

ASUS GeForce RTX 4090 STRIX OC Review

The ASUS GeForce RTX 4090 STRIX OC is the company's flagship graphics card. It comes with a huge cooler that's all metal, even on the cooler shroud. In terms of performance our review confirms that this is the best air cooler available and out of the box performance is great too, thanks to a...

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SmokSmog · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:28

RTX 4090 is like 5X faster in synthetic 3Dmark DXR feature test. But in the newest more real world 3Dmark Speedway just only 3x~

JediFragger · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:30

Yup, no one is denying that it's an RT monster :cool:

SmokSmog · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:40

Fastest 6900XT vs Fastest RTX 4090
That's raster + RT benchmark

Navi31 with 12288 shaders and 3ghz+ clocks should be 2x faster in raster and 2,5-3X in hybrid RT+Raster imho.

humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:40

Synthetics have zero bearing on reality, the fact that Cyberpunk, being an actual game heavily influenced by Nvidia and being the absolute worst case for AMD proves that.

3Dmark is just a tool for scoring points, it is specifically tailored to use a GPU in the one aspect it scores points for, and nothing else, games aren't built like that, for as much as Cyberpunk is a show case for Nvidia RT, its still a game.

SmokSmog said:
RTX 4090 is like 5X faster in synthetic 3Dmark DXR feature test. But in the newest more real world 3Dmark Speedway just only 3x~

humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:45

SmokSmog said:
Fastest 6900XT vs Fastest RTX 4090
That's raster + RT benchmark

Navi31 with 12288 shaders and 3ghz+ clocks should be 2x faster in raster and 2,5-3X in hybrid RT+Raster imho.

Again, Synthetics, ask yourself why the 4090 isn't anything like 160% faster than the 6900XT in any game.

For example among many things it does not take in to account the really bad driver overheads Nvidia have in actual games, and that's just the start of it, it could score 100,000% higher in 3DMark, irrelevant, its just a number related only to its self, its still only 65% faster in reality.

random_matt · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:48

I see nvidia fans are trying really hard.

humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:50

random_matt said:
I see nvidia fans are trying really hard.

The question is are they trying to convince themselves or the rest of us with this utterly meaningless none sense.

SmokSmog · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:56

Who is Nvidia fan?

I just posted the hybrid raster + RT from 3Dmark showing that if Navi31 will have 3X the perf of 6900XT in RT + Raster then RTX 4090 will cooked.
2X pure raster over 6900XT = Nvidia cooked in raster
3X in RT + Raster = Nvidia cooked everywhere.

humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 21:59

SmokSmog said:
Who is Nvidia fan? I just posted the hybrid raster + RT from 3Dmark showing that if Navi31 will have 3X the perf of 6900XT in RT + Raster then RTX 4090 will cooked.
2X pure raster over 6900XT = Nvidia cooked in raster
3X in RT + Raster = Nvidia cooked everywhere.

You're right, my bad i just automatically distrust any synthetics.

Also Cooked? i think i get that reference

JediFragger · 19 Oct 2022 at 22:25

random_matt said:
I see nvidia fans are trying really hard.

They don't even need to, we all recognise that the 4090 is beast!

humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 22:31

JediFragger said:
They don't even need to, we all recognise that the 4090 is beast!

It certainly is...

gpuerrilla · 19 Oct 2022 at 22:35

Will be the best kept secret ever if AMD hit launch and its flagship 'cooked' nvidia's. In other points, if the RT is over 2X that of RDNA2 it has to be better than ampere just how good without the DLSS sauce..?

humbug · 19 Oct 2022 at 22:46

gpuerrilla said:
Will be the best kept secret ever if AMD hit launch and its flagship 'cooked' nvidia's. In other points, if the RT is over 2X that of RDNA2 it has to be better than ampere just how good without the DLSS sauce..?

2.5X would make it 31% better than the 3090Ti in Cyberpunk.

RDNA3 is not going to catch Nvidia with Ada RT performance but only the most committed AMD haters would call it "crap" it will go a long way to closing the gap and decent performance in its own right, couldn't ask for much better given it will only be AMD's second generation RT.

gpuerrilla · 19 Oct 2022 at 22:54

humbug said:
2.5X would make it 31% better than the 3090Ti in Cyberpunk.

RDNA3 is not going to catch Nvidia with Ada RT performance but only the most committed AMD haters would call it "crap" it will go a long way to closing the gap and decent performance in its own right, couldn't ask for much better given it will only be AMD's second generation RT.

I will be honest and I have not used the RT extensively on my 3090. When I played CP yeah it was cool but I toned it down and had configured it to keep my fps > 60 which looked good but for such a performance hit the game needed way more optimising to make RT playable at good fps.

So considering other titles you can play reasonably well on ampere it would be acceptable to have an AMD card thats 30% better than a 3090 in RT. Couple that with superior raster, will be surprised if any 'neutrals' dont turn their heads. I mean if the 7900XT can launch around £1000 (not fancy AIB taxed ones) its going to be pretty interesting.