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arknor said:
Neither did AMD with CPU so I doubt they will with GPU either.

13600k king of everything
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Surely this is perspective?

I have a 5600x atm, i plan on getting a top tier card November hopefully AMD will do a nice undercut and ill go with them, but as i play at 4k, it doesn't matter what CPU i have, my current CPU wont hit frame limits as even at 4k ill be GPU bound.
If you're playing a 4k and have a reasonably modern CPU you wont need to upgrade to AMD7000 series, Intel 13 series christ you probably wont even need to upgrade to AMD8000/9000 etc.

People spend so much time whining about what's better as some kind of online contest to compare their one inch wonders and wave them in everyones faces, the reality is buy what YOU need and what suits you. Really doesn't matter what people say look at graphs and reviews compare them to your budget and then buy what suits you who gives an actual crap what others think.
 
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Nexus18 said:
No one defends them, in fact quite the opposite, people always got their pitchforks at the ready for nvidia but when it comes to amd, since they're a "charity", the "underdog" and so on.....

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:D :cry:

Suppose the bigger they are, the harder they fall :p
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haha thats true though someone was selling ROCm in another thread.. it just plain sucks, i remember trying a 6900XT in 2021 it wasnt even fkin supported (or maybe it required me to perform a AMD shillin ritual)
and vega 64 before that none of the popular libraries supported ROCm, even something as basic as gradientaccumulate using gradienttape wasnt working
and my beloved matlab doesnt support it at all.. you got to be blind in love with amd to be proposing rocm
 
kieran_read said:
Surely this is perspective?

I have a 5600x atm, i plan on getting a top tier card November hopefully AMD will do a nice undercut and ill go with them, but as i play at 4k, it doesn't matter what CPU i have, my current CPU wont hit frame limits as even at 4k ill be GPU bound.
If you're playing a 4k and have a reasonably modern CPU you wont need to upgrade to AMD7000 series, Intel 13 series christ you probably wont even need to upgrade to AMD8000/9000 etc.

People spend so much time whining about what's better as some kind of online contest to compare their one inch wonders and wave them in everyones faces, the reality is buy what YOU need and what suits you. Really doesn't matter what people say look at graphs and reviews compare them to your budget and then buy what suits you who gives an actual crap what others think.
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One thing that does matter is pricing,so we do want Intel to beat AMD and vice versa even if we don't buy the current generation.

The issue increasingly,all the price drops since 2020 in CPUs,have been dependent on Intel releasing something better price/performance than AMD. Intel,the company well known for being value(this is not great). The Core i5 12600K/Core i5 12600KF and Core i5 12400 were the reasons we ended up getting the Ryzen 5 5600 non-X and the Ryzen 7 5700X.

People have forgotten at one point,Ryzen 5 3600 CPUs actually went up in price after the Ryzen 5 5600X launch as they filled in the stack under the Ryzen 5 5600X for a year. The Ryzen 5 7600X and Core i5 13600K/Core i5 13600KF are now at £300+ and the Core i5 13600K/Core i5 13600KF seems to be faster overall over mixed workloads. So it probably means the Ryzen 5 7600X will get a price cut at some point.

But the big issue we are now seeing new six core CPUs go past £280~£300 and increasingly there are no eight cores at launch under £400. The Ryzen 5 5600X,Ryzen5 7600X a Core i5 13600K were all £300ish and above CPUs. Essentially we are moving back to the period of many years ago,where new six core CPUs are over £300 and they have become the new quad cores.

My bigger concern is whether slowly we will see no six core CPUs under £200. So like with dGPUs,even a 50 series type card is over £200.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
One thing that does matter is pricing,so we do want Intel to beat AMD and vice versa even if we don't buy the current generation.

The issue increasingly,all the price drops since 2020 in CPUs,have been dependent on Intel releasing something better price/performance than AMD. Intel,the company well known for being value(this is not great). The Core i5 12600K/Core i5 12600KF and Core i5 12400 were the reasons we ended up getting the Ryzen 5 5600 non-X and the Ryzen 7 5700X.

People have forgotten at one point,Ryzen 5 3600 CPUs actually went up in price after the Ryzen 5 5600X launch as they filled in the stack under the Ryzen 5 5600X for a year. The Ryzen 5 7600X and Core i5 13600K/Core i5 13600KF are now at £300+ and the Core i5 13600K/Core i5 13600KF seems to be faster overall over mixed workloads. So it probably means the Ryzen 5 7600X will get a price cut at some point.

But the big issue we are now seeing new six core CPUs go past £280~£300 and increasingly there are no eight cores at launch under £400. The Ryzen 5 5600X,Ryzen5 7600X a Core i5 13600K were all £300ish and above CPUs. Essentially we are moving back to the period of many years ago,where new six core CPUs are over £300 and they have become the new quad cores.

My bigger concern is whether slowly we will see no six core CPUs under £200. So like with dGPUs,even a 50 series type card is over £200.
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Do you know why the 5600X didn't budge from its $300 price point? Because the 10700K was $380.

Tech journalists ignored that and tried to get AMD to lower the price, it didn't work because what they were trying to do was get AMD to lower the price on a CPU that was already 25% cheaper and better than its rival, AMD aren't stupid and frankly probably thinking why do i bother?
 
AMD don't want to be in a situation where they are always seen as second rate in a race of two and the de-facto budget option, because that's when you get "yeah good CPU but its AMD, should be half the price of anything Intel"

You can't turn a profit like that, as AMD only know too well, and when from your perspective the entire Tech Press that's going at you for a product you deliberately already priced cheaper than its rival for being over priced you don't take them seriously anymore, and at that point you've lost them.
 
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humbug said:
AMD don't want to be in a situation where they are always seen as second rate in a race of two and the de-facto budget option, because that's when you get "yeah good CPU but its AMD, should be half the price of anything Intel"

You can't turn a profit like that, as AMD only know too well, and when from your perspective the entire Tech Press that's going at you for a product you deliberately already priced cheaper than its rival for being over priced you don't take them seriously anymore, and at that point you've lost them.
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AMD has changed as a company over the last decade.
Hubris been replaced by margins and tighter ship.
CPus are owning Intels in servers and desktop, laptops and mobile.
Gpus is slowly advancing to reach unheard performance as they now got the cash for research.

As long amd make great stuff people keeps buying their stuff.
Its that simple.
People that whine and complain about pricing maybe should either get a better paid job...or learn to save up.
If you start saving up for zen5 now, you gonna be able to afford it even when living in your moms cellar.

AMD basically ensured, people can buy am4 zen3 5800x3D or am5 zen4.
Either way amd gives a good option for both cases.
In my case, I go for am4 as there is an upgrade path for upcoming 7800x3D but with 5800x3D it wouldnt be.
but I dont buy bleeding edge normally as mid range am5 7600x is still gonna be awesome.
 
SpudMaster said:
Nvidia pretty much doubled their prices, so I just need to go a get a job that pays me double my current one does? OK no problem...... :rolleyes:
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So, you cant deal with the real world and then try to make me feel bad because you cant afford the real world prices nor save up?
How is your life going really?
I am smiling right now as your comment is so funny
cant afford things you want, :D

Maybe you need a life coach?
 
RBImGuy said:
So, you cant deal with the real world and then try to make me feel bad because you cant afford the real world prices nor save up?
How is your life going really?
I am smiling right now as your comment is so funny
cant afford things you want, :D

Maybe you need a life coach?
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You came to that assumption from my comment? And how did I try to make you feel bad? I suggest you ask yourself those same questions as your need to troll only reflects badly on yourself
 
SpudMaster said:
Nvidia pretty much doubled their prices, so I just need to go a get a job that pays me double my current one does? OK no problem...... :rolleyes:
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This is where it comes to value.

I don't have an issue with price increases but I expect the item to have more value. Double the price for double the performance isn't a value increase its the same value as before.

For me I'd want to see double the price for 2.5x performance or something like that and I would think that's fair when you get more value.

Cost/performance ratio should improve generation by generation. Which because of the way prices have increased (by a lot!) I don't feel they have as much as they should have for me to be happy with the new pricing structure.

I agree with you though, the "get a better job" argument is moronic he must be a millionaire because he clearly accepts any and all price increase and is 100% willing to pay for them no questions asked what a dreamy life he must lead charming chap.

Currently I'm waiting for AMDs reveal but if not I'm tempted to get a cheaper 3090ti depending on how the end up.
 
RBImGuy said:
AMD has changed as a company over the last decade.
Hubris been replaced by margins and tighter ship.
CPus are owning Intels in servers and desktop, laptops and mobile.
Gpus is slowly advancing to reach unheard performance as they now got the cash for research.

As long amd make great stuff people keeps buying their stuff.
Its that simple.
People that whine and complain about pricing maybe should either get a better paid job...or learn to save up.
If you start saving up for zen5 now, you gonna be able to afford it even when living in your moms cellar.

AMD basically ensured, people can buy am4 zen3 5800x3D or am5 zen4.
Either way amd gives a good option for both cases.
In my case, I go for am4 as there is an upgrade path for upcoming 7800x3D but with 5800x3D it wouldnt be.
but I dont buy bleeding edge normally as mid range am5 7600x is still gonna be awesome.
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+100

I paid £440 for a 5800X, people think i'm mad for paying over £400 for an 8 core CPU when the 1700 was only £300.

The alternative was the 10900K, similar MT performance, the 5800X had higher IPC, higher ST performance, 100 watts less power and much better gaming performance, the 10900K was £500.

Yes it was expensive, but in the context of what was available at the time also cheap. it was better than the best Intel could do at the time.

There is nothing wrong with asking for good value, and i'm sure AMD respect that, if we are reasonable, the 5800X was good value. if you still can't afford it that's not the fault of AMD.

We can't expect them to continue to behave like they are still knocking out FX-8350's, those days are long gone.... and if we want AMD to keep making great products we have to support them, properly.
 
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humbug said:
There is nothing wrong with asking for good value, and i'm sure AMD respect that, if we are reasonable, the 5800X was good value. if you still can't afford it that's not the fault of AMD.
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My issue was with the stupid comment of get a better job. I get prices will go up to some extent, Nvidia are still taking the xxxx though. Your aguement for the 5800X has one problem though, it was for worst value chip in the 5000 series :p
 
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