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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

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SpudMaster said:
My issue was with the stupid comment of get a better job. I get prices will go up to some extent, Nvidia are still taking the xxxx though. Your aguement for the 5800X has one problem though, it was for worst value chip in the 5000 series :p
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BTW,since you have been around on tech forums for years,I assume you remember Rollo? Rollo of the NV Focus Group who used to defend Nvidia higher prices over ATI over 10~15 years ago,by saying get a better job? He and his ilk were widely considered part of Nvidia stealth marketing. People used to mock him for saying that and I had various interactions with him. I need to find some of his quotes.

Funny how some AMD fans are now repeating Nvidia marketing lines. The double standards and flip-flop of AMD fans from "value is everything" and only Intel/Nvidia fans care about "absolute performance" is hilarious. I expect when AMD is behind again,soon Intel/Nvidia having absolute performance won't matter again....or having less cores than them(even the sacred moar cores is now out of fashion!!).

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SpudMaster said:
My issue was with the stupid comment of get a better job. I get prices will go up to some extent, Nvidia are still taking the xxxx though. Your aguement for the 5800X has one problem though, it was for worst value chip in the 5000 series :p
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It was but that doesn't change the context, i have no use for a 12 core and didn't want a 6 core so that was it really, i know you're not suggesting i should have bought the 10900K.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
BTW,since you have been around on tech forums for years,I assume you remember Rollo? Rollo of the NV Focus Group who used to defend Nvidia higher prices over ATI over 10~15 years ago,by saying get a better job? He and his ilk were widely considered part of Nvidia stealth marketing. People used to mock him for saying that and I had various interactions with him. I need to find some of his quotes.

Funny how some AMD fans are now repeating Nvidia marketing lines. The double standards and flip-flop of AMD fans from "value is everything" and only Intel/Nvidia fans care about "absolute performance" is hilarious. I expect when AMD is behind again,soon Intel/Nvidia having absolute performance won't matter again....or having less cores than them(even the sacred moar cores is now out of fashion!!).

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A lot of anger in this post CAT.
Let me say what i think we can agree on.

The 7600X is too expensive, it should be $250
The 7700X is too expensive, it should be $350

The 7900X and 7950X could also do with being a bit cheaper.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
BTW,since you have been around on tech forums for years,I assume you remember Rollo? Rollo of the NV Focus Group who used to defend Nvidia higher prices over ATI over 10~15 years ago,by saying get a better job? He and his ilk were widely considered part of Nvidia stealth marketing. People used to mock him for saying that and I had various interactions with him. I need to find some of his quotes.

Funny how some AMD fans are now repeating Nvidia marketing lines. The double standards and flip-flop of AMD fans from "value is everything" and only Intel/Nvidia fans care about "absolute performance" is hilarious. I expect when AMD is behind again,soon Intel/Nvidia having absolute performance won't matter again....or having less cores than them(even the sacred moar cores is now out of fashion!!).

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Remember "amd good! nvidia/intel bad!

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kieran_read said:
I agree with you though, the "get a better job" argument is moronic he must be a millionaire because he clearly accepts any and all price increase and is 100% willing to pay for them no questions asked what a dreamy life he must lead charming chap.
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Every brand is trying to have some high end Gucci style line these days, and oh boy is it annoying.


Capitalism is noting more than crippling the competition, creating a monopoly and milking people for everything they can be milked for until they are dry husks in old peoples homes
 
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humbug said:
A lot of anger in this post CAT.
Let me say what i think we can agree on.

The 7600X is too expensive, it should be $250
The 7700X is too expensive, it should be $350

The 7900X and 7950X could also do with being a bit cheaper.
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i think you have missed the elephant in the room... the cpus are priced ok theres no change in consideration when you see +50 markup, its the motherboards thats takin them down
if amd wants people to buy $500 motherboards, then they should be selling $1500 cpus, perhaps a 32 core cpu could fit that description
 
brostradamus said:
i think you have missed the elephant in the room... the cpus are priced ok theres no change in consideration when you see +50 markup, its the motherboards thats takin them down
if amd wants people to buy $500 motherboards, then they should be selling $1500 cpus, perhaps a 32 core cpu could fit that description
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No i think they are a bit over priceced, for example yes the 13600K is more expensive, but not a whole lot more and it is on the whole a better CPU, its not that easy to chose between them, depends on what you want it for..... its a long way from a win for AMD.

I do agree with you about the Motherboards, how could i not, they are overpriced, horrendously overpriced, but this is not something AMD did, and i'm not sure how much they can do about it, the thing i can be most sure about is that AMD don't like it, they are not happy about it.
 
When the $200 ryzen 5 3600 came out it was 25% cheaper than the 9600k while offering comparable ST and beating it in MT by a decent margin.
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Roll on 3 years and now and both CPUs are pretty much the same price especially if you live in the US yet AMD is trailing in MT double the margin it once commanded a healthy lead in so you're now paying more for less.
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brostradamus said:
i think you have missed the elephant in the room... the cpus are priced ok theres no change in consideration when you see +50 markup, its the motherboards thats takin them down
if amd wants people to buy $500 motherboards, then they should be selling $1500 cpus, perhaps a 32 core cpu could fit that description
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I agree with you on this one, also I don't think they're as comparable to say GPU's

For modern GPU's modern CPU's will hit 100+ FPS in most games with a good GPU at 1080p, 1440p etc and at 4k it doesn't matter if you have a £200 CPU or £1000 CPU the bottleneck is the GPU. Likewise most people outside of games don't run the programs you always seen in benchmarks, so again a cheaper CPU's will be fine for what they want.

I tend to agree the CPU's are priced fine, a 4 core entry CPU today is far superior to a 8 core from 4 years ago. While more cores are great and I understand people would want more for less, the larger the core count the better at productivity they are priced more for people using heavier productivity. For gamers it wont really matter, and for everyday users it also wont matter.

Like you say the biggest flaw at the moment is the price of Motherboards they are insane.

My 1700x X370 system borked itself and i ended up sinking £200 on a 5600x and cheap £100 mobo. My 5600x has less cores than my 1700x did (they also cost the same at launch) but that 5600x far out performs my 1700 in every which way. I would have been happy paying £300 on it too I needed too for that performance uplift.

The biggest problem of the 7000 series is not the higher pricing... it's the incredible value of the 5800X3D
 
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RBImGuy said:
People that whine and complain about pricing maybe should either get a better paid job...or learn to save up.
If you start saving up for zen5 now, you gonna be able to afford it even when living in your moms cellar.
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You're a bit of a **** aren't you. GPU prices have gone up significantly more than inflation and cost of living increases.
 
humbug said:
It was but that doesn't change the context, i have no use for a 12 core and didn't want a 6 core so that was it really, i know you're not suggesting i should have bought the 10900K.
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True. Before prices were announced I was planning to get the 5800X but the fact that it was over £100 more than the 5600X and the 5900X was less than £100 more than the 5800X did sit right with me. Didnt really need more than 6 cores I rarely use my PC for things other than gaming. Also getting a 5600X for £230 new when they released helped sway it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
BTW,since you have been around on tech forums for years,I assume you remember Rollo? Rollo of the NV Focus Group who used to defend Nvidia higher prices over ATI over 10~15 years ago,by saying get a better job? He and his ilk were widely considered part of Nvidia stealth marketing. People used to mock him for saying that and I had various interactions with him. I need to find some of his quotes.

Funny how some AMD fans are now repeating Nvidia marketing lines. The double standards and flip-flop of AMD fans from "value is everything" and only Intel/Nvidia fans care about "absolute performance" is hilarious. I expect when AMD is behind again,soon Intel/Nvidia having absolute performance won't matter again....or having less cores than them(even the sacred moar cores is now out of fashion!!).

:cry:
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The name does sound vaguely familiar. Company loyalists are a strange bunch
 
If the 4090 is 20% better at RT than the 7900XT then it doesn't matter even if the 7900XT competes more with the 4080 in price. Just get the 4090.
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Well, let us hope that this rambling disjointed and confused twaddle is only the opinion of those with similar cognitive disabilities, because if it isn't then we have serious problems.

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TNA said:
You mad. I paid less than that for my brand new 5900X and I have had it for well over a year now.
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That just highlights that they were expensive at launch, I bought a 5800X almost two years ago for 420 and at the time I knew they were overpriced. Had the 5820K for long enough and did not want to wait potentially another 6months for the price to come down. Probably should have and could have had 5800X3D for the same price :p

I think RDNA3 will be expensive at launch too, will have to suffer with the 3080 a bit longer ;) Y'all got anymore of that VRAM?
 
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