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I couldn't believe my eyes seeing those numbers
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Reality check, are AMD just as bad as Nvidia.
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I couldn't believe my eyes seeing those numbers
I think AMD wanted to be as bad but poor sales has meant they’ve had to adjust pricing, Nvidia are also suffering poor sales but are less inclined to drop pricing as much because AI is bailing them out for the moment.
Switching the name of 7900XT and pricing at £900 simply because Nvidia was doing the same with the 4080 12gb shown their intent and that they have the same contempt for consumers.
Switching the name of 7900XT and pricing at £900 simply because Nvidia was doing the same with the 4080 12gb shown their intent and that they have the same contempt for consumers.
I think you need to go back over more generations.
E.g. (launch prices from Google)
2012 GTX 660 - £180
2013 GTX 760 - £200
2015 GTX 960 - £160
2016 GTX 1060 - £240 / FE - £280
2019 RTX 2060 - £270
2021 RTX 3060 - £300
2023 RTX 4060 - £290
2013 R7 260 - £110
2016 RX 460 - £120
2017 RX 560 - £110
2020 RX 5600 - £255
2021 RX 6600 - £300
2023 RX 7600 - £260
You can see how Nvidia bumped the prices in 2016 and AMD followed suit in 2020. What has happened this year is that the model prices have been static but shrinkflation has struck: Nvidia are selling what should be the 4050 as the 4060, what should be the 4060 ti as the 4070, and so on up the stack, and AMD appear to be following suit.
It's worse than that when you look at die sizes.
GA108 unreleased RTX3040 spec --------AD107 146mm2 so the 4060 is now a RTX4040
GA107 200m2 3050 laptop die ----------AD106 190mm2 4060ti
GA106 276mm2 3050 + 3060 ----------AD104 294mm2 4070 + 4070ti
GA104 394mm2 3060ti + 3070/ti ------AD103 379mm2 4080
This is why the performance uplift is so poor on the 60 series cards as they are using dies 2 tiers below what they used last gen.
The 70 and 80 class are using dies 1 tier below so performance isn’t as bad but then they’ve also had price rises of $100 > 200 and 500 so any value for money has been wiped out.
The uplift from Ampere to ADA is about 80% when like for like dies are compared but only one card gets close to the 2 generational performance jump that TSMC N4 brought Nvidia, the rest get a one generation jump at significantly higher costs and the 60 class gets a half generation bump for the same cost.
AMD must have been delighted with Nvidia’s strategy as they would have got destroyed if Nvidia went with the same die sizes and pricing structure as last gen, the 7900XTX would have been competing with a 4070ti and the 7900XT competing with a 4060ti.
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Hasn't there been a process shrink so they're not directly comparable?
A process shrink does allow for smaller dies to be used but Nvidia went too far with the 60 class cards and coupled with the crippled bus speeds yields barely any uplift. The 70 cards suffer from the same issues but to a lesser extent.
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Someone mentioned both 4080 and 7900XTX are way overpriced, I'm guessing your $750 reply for a 7900XTX was error?I didn't say thattho its better now at $750.
Good thread btw.
10 years I've been running two systems NV exclusive, now it's split 4070 and 7900XT.
4070 swapped it out with my 3070.
Swapped out the 3080 for a 7900XTX Pulse less than a grand got me a higher spec GPU for my wants over the £200 extra for a 4080FE as the rest don't fit my case.
So although the 79 is expensive, it is a considerably higher uplift than a 4080 for the outlay.
Glad I did as been waiting patiently on Starfield and AMD support is the icing on the cake-which makes them lightyears ahead of the competition in this title.
Someone mentioned both 4080 and 7900XTX are way overpriced, I'm guessing your $750 reply for a 7900XTX was error?
Good thread btw.
10 years I've been running two systems NV exclusive, now it's split 4070 and 7900XT.
4070 swapped it out with my 3070.
Swapped out the 3080 for a 7900XTX Pulse less than a grand got me a higher spec GPU for my wants over the £200 extra for a 4080FE as the rest don't fit my case.
So although the 79 is expensive, it is a considerably higher uplift than a 4080 for the outlay.
Glad I did as been waiting patiently on Starfield and AMD support is the icing on the cake-which makes them lightyears ahead of the competition in this title.
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Its 50% batter for the same money than the card its replaced, and its got 24GB vs 16GB on that last gen card, if we are not happy with something like that then its going to be impossible for any of these guys to please us and if that's the impression they get it could make things worse.
What's that supposed to mean?Glad I did as been waiting patiently on Starfield and AMD support is the icing on the cake-which makes them lightyears ahead of the competition in this title.
Entirely different games, they are both Space games and have "Star" in the title but that's where the similarities end, one is a boundless sandbox MMO, the other is a single player rail hop between scripted instances.
You wont get #### like this from it. I will be buying it, i will no doubt enjoy it, until i've exhausted its limitations.
The trouble is the 6900XT wasn’t good value to begin with, a £600 6800xt with and overclock would put you around 6900xt performance.
Compared to a $1200 3080ti the 35% uplift on a $1200 4080 looks decent value but it really isn’t.
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Its 50% batter for the same money than the card its replaced, and its got 24GB vs 16GB on that last gen card, if we are not happy with something like that then its going to be impossible for any of these guys to please us and if that's the impression they get it could make things worse.
No brainer going 24Gb over 16Gb for SF as I'll be adding the optinal UHD texture pack and modding it.
What's that supposed to mean?
AMD tech is lightyears ahead of the competition in Starfield.
There is quite a lot of good AMD graphics tech.
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My 6800XT was my first ever AMD card and for what I use it for it's been solid for price and performance. However, I will give Nvidia credit where it's due - the efforts they went to with OcUKs competitor in order to ensure gamers got a chance to buy cards during the massive scalping period deserves my respect.
AMD did not lift a finger in this regard.
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It was the people paying £1200 for a 3070 on a 392mm2 that made Nvidia think they could sell their new 379mm2 die card for £1200.
Surly even Nvidia must have realised that A, not many gamers actually bought GPU's at these prices and B, those were exceptional circumstances.
What are they going to do with the 4060 series cards? The 4070 at least is not a bad card, its decent, its just overpriced, all the 4060 cards are just bad, ok maybe that's unfair, there is no such thing as a bad card, just a bad price, with the 4060 series they are all low end cards, they should have all had a 192Bit bus because with the 128Bit bus they aren't much good at 1440P and people paying £400 for a GPU have 1440P screens, i don't know anyone who has a 1080P screen, 1440P screens are dirt cheap.
Look at this, 27" 1440P 144Hz Free-Sync VA panel, £200.
www.overclockers.co.uk
Nothing wrong with that screen. it even looks quite nice. Looks more expensive than it is.
AOC 27" Q27G2E/BK 27” 2560x1440 VA 144Hz 1ms FreeSync LED Backlit Widescreen Gaming Monitor
Order AOC 27" Q27G2E/BK 27” 2560x1440 VA 144Hz 1ms FreeSync LED Backlit Widescreen Gaming Monitor now online and benefit from fast delivery.
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Nothing wrong with that screen. it even looks quite nice. Looks more expensive than it is.
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Even most who have their PC's hooked up to a TV are on 4k 60hz screen now so the 1080p cards seem even less of an option as most may want to stick to their displays native resolution.
The other issue with the 60 class is the PCIE being just X8, people buying cards at that end are less likely to have a gen capable 4.0 pc so face even worse performance.