Man of Honour
It's all just publicity to hype up the next race. You're all reading way too much into it.
Red Bull issue, F1 rules in general?
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Soldato
RedBull should have just suspended him for a race, and he'd have learned his lesson.
It wouldn't have cost the team much if anything. They've got capable reserve drivers, and on a good day a granny could get a red bull into the top 5.
It wouldn't have cost the team much if anything. They've got capable reserve drivers, and on a good day a granny could get a red bull into the top 5.
Suspend him for a race, miss out on 25 points, potentially give Alonso 25 points free, and then loose the WDC.
Yeah, sounds like a great way to deal with it
I simply cannot believe peoples views towards a racing driver who wants to win?! Its as if you are all happy to watch team organised processions rather than races. People need to step back and have a look at what they are saying.
Yeah, sounds like a great way to deal with it
I simply cannot believe peoples views towards a racing driver who wants to win?! Its as if you are all happy to watch team organised processions rather than races. People need to step back and have a look at what they are saying.
Soldato
Suspend him for a race, miss out on 25 points, potentially give Alonso 25 points free, and then loose the WDC.
Yeah, sounds like a great way to deal with it
I simply cannot believe peoples views towards a racing driver who wants to win?! Its as if you are all happy to watch team organised processions rather than races. People need to step back and have a look at what they are saying.
Got your crystal ball out mate? What makes you think suspending Vettel for a race means missing out on 25 points? For all you know Mark could comfortably win whichever race Vettel is suspended for, and the reserve driver come 2nd.
Got your crystal ball out mate? What makes you think suspending Vettel for a race means missing out on 25 points? For all you know Mark could comfortably win whichever race Vettel is suspended for, and the reserve driver come 2nd.
On the assumption that Vettel is as good as he appears to be, and Alonso potentially being better than Webber and most other drivers, suspending him and him losing out on 25 points could affect the WDC.
I'm not, but then I know when both drivers are told the race is done and one still over takes I'm not watching a race either. I'm just watching one driver ignore his team because he has to win at almost any cost.
I wouldn't suspend him, that isn't really possible.
Maybe the tussle wouldn't have happened if Webber had any real idea until the gap was closed it was still race on. So if Vettel had a 30 second lead and Webber was second and they were told to pace themselves until the end it would still be racing if Webber decided to pass when the race was called off by the team after closing the gap with the front car cruising?
Rubens could have done that a few times to MS but it wouldn't have been a race.
I have no problem with what vettel did if webber had a fighting chance to maintain the gap he had or not think the job was done by prior agreement about team orders.
Webber ****ed up in my opinion. He should have taken them both out the race. You can bet your life Vettel would not now be saying he would ignore the calls again and the team would have kicked his backside.
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That works both ways.
Replace Vettel catching Webber due to ignoring team orders with Vettel catching Webber due to a safety car.
Ignoring team orders only allowed Vettel to catch Webber. The fight, overtake, and then 1 second a lap lead he pulled out was racing, and a dam sight more exciting to watch than a 15 lap procession.
Ignoring team orders only allowed Vettel to catch Webber. The fight, overtake, and then 1 second a lap lead he pulled out was racing, and a dam sight more exciting to watch than a 15 lap procession.
It was racing, it was just that if you believe exactly what was said, Webber had turned his engine down and was looking after fuel/tyres which is what Vettel was supposed to be doing - so was caught unaware shall we say, so I guess a cheap shot.
That being said, Id have thought Webber wouldn't have been naieve enough to just carry on regardless.
Id have hit the TURBO BOOST button and made it as difficult as supremely possible for him
That being said, Id have thought Webber wouldn't have been naieve enough to just carry on regardless.
Id have hit the TURBO BOOST button and made it as difficult as supremely possible for him
It has been confirmed that Webber was not told to turn his engine down.
In my view, there are 2 very seperate events. Vettel catching Webber, and then Vettel fighting with, passing, and then pulling away from Webber. One of them was caused by Vettel ignoring team orders, but could have easily been caused by any other reason (SC, bodged pit stop, running wide, etc), while the other was a race.
They are not linked.
Vettel didn't pass and win because he ignored team orders. Vettel caught Webber because he ignored team orders. He won because once he caught he was able to out race Webber.
The switch over between these 2 events is the point Webber realises Vettel is not holding position, which is some point shortly before Vettel starts to attack.
Given the popularity of SC's as a way to close the field up to promote more racing, I don't get why this is such an issue to some people. At the end of the day it got 2 F1 cars close together on track to have a great battle, and made great TV. As a fan of racing above any team or driver allegiances, it was great.
Yet still people persist that what they would prefer to see is cars held in position because the boss said so... it baffles me. They claim no driver should be bigger than the team, yet freely let their opinions of a driver become bigger than the spectacle of the sport they compete in.
Some people would rather see Vettel lose a scripted procession than win a race.
In my view, there are 2 very seperate events. Vettel catching Webber, and then Vettel fighting with, passing, and then pulling away from Webber. One of them was caused by Vettel ignoring team orders, but could have easily been caused by any other reason (SC, bodged pit stop, running wide, etc), while the other was a race.
They are not linked.
Vettel didn't pass and win because he ignored team orders. Vettel caught Webber because he ignored team orders. He won because once he caught he was able to out race Webber.
The switch over between these 2 events is the point Webber realises Vettel is not holding position, which is some point shortly before Vettel starts to attack.
Given the popularity of SC's as a way to close the field up to promote more racing, I don't get why this is such an issue to some people. At the end of the day it got 2 F1 cars close together on track to have a great battle, and made great TV. As a fan of racing above any team or driver allegiances, it was great.
Yet still people persist that what they would prefer to see is cars held in position because the boss said so... it baffles me. They claim no driver should be bigger than the team, yet freely let their opinions of a driver become bigger than the spectacle of the sport they compete in.
Some people would rather see Vettel lose a scripted procession than win a race.
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Do you think Webber would have reacted as he did, if he felt it was down to a fair race and not JUST ignoring team orders?
Still not racing when Webber had been in cruise mode which drops tyre temps and pressures.