Relational issues...

Yeah. Right just for a laugh, lets say 10,000 people are out in Newcastle on a saturday night, i could guarantee half of them would be on something (drugs that is) the other half just alcohol. I would imagine A&E might have got 1/2 people through the door complaining about drugs, the other 30/40/50 i dunno will be all alcohol related. Thats not to say the people might not have had a cocktail but the reason for them being in A&E will be down to the alcohol.

Like the other month i went to A&E to see a friend who had been hit. Everyone in that waiting room was swaying to hell! Absolutley ****ed out their faces, not everyone but 70% i would say. :rolleyes:
 
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Robboftw said:
You mean you want to me to use drugs? :p

Never going to happen I'm afraid.
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No, if you dont want to use drugs thats your prerogative! I completely respect that but i was trying to make a point about your previous post claiming that you would have no respect for anyone who has used drugs or uses them!
 
Robboftw said:
I forgot I can't speak from my own experience and have to read cases and pre-empetively anticipate everyone elses experiences before I say anything, sorry about that.
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Well yes, you should put a bit more effort in when making such large sweeping statements.
 
Thermaltake said:
No, if you dont want to use drugs thats your prerogative! I completely respect that but i was trying to make a point about your previous post claiming that you would have no respect for anyone who has used drugs or uses them!
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I agree that may have been a bit of a sweeping statement, I meant more people who abuse them or cause others bother because of it.
 
Robboftw said:
I agree that may have been a bit of a sweeping statement, I meant more people who abuse them or cause others bother because of it.
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Well that's the thing, alcohol causes a lot more bother to innocent people than drugs do!

Obviously that was a sweeping statement aswell, skag, crack and meth due to their addictiveness causes a lot of problems on the streets.
 
Robboftw said:
I know that, I agree, but neither should be encouraged (to the extent of binge drinking with Alcohol) to be honest.
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Yes encouraging anything like tobacco, alcohol and drugs is going to be frowned upon. But i'm not encouraging anyone to take it, i'm trying to make people have a broader view on drugs because its completley unfair that society has such a dim view on it all!

Hopefully i've swayed you slightly in thinking were not all THAT bad! :p
 
Many of the later posters in this thread have somehow managed to sidetrack their arguments to "OMG drugs are bad; heroin! crack! cocaine!"... We're talking about MDMA, quit trying to straw-man the place.

For those referring to the fact they're illegal, take a moment to consider the weight of evidence presented independently to the government (at government request), only to be ignored completely. For example, it has often been recommended that Cannabis, Ecstasy and others be made legal and controlled. The result of this inquiry? The government upgrade Cannabis from Class C to Class B. Doh.

We're discussing MDMA here. Please don't spout about illegality and the effects of cocaine to support your arguments. It's spurious and makes you look ignorant. If you look at the actual literature (Wareing, Fisk, Parrott, Murphy et al.) you'll see that MDMA doesn't cause any real lasting damage, and even the tiny measurable differences from non-users are only really detectable in a laboratory setting.

For the "OMG but they're illegal!!1!" crowd - consider alcohol prohibition in the US. It's all very well having an opinion; we all have one of those. But do try to at least base yours on fact rather than conjecture, FUD and TV. This rather reminds me of a Bill Hicks quote:

Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstition? Perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?

"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
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:D :p

I've been threatened by drunks, seen people (innocent bystanders) beaten unconscious and worse by drunks. I've yet to see someone deep with empathy from ecstasy want to fight their neighbour... ;)
 
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Wow. There are some really ignorant people making sweeping ludicrious statements in this thread.

I am still waiting for someone with personal exposure to MDMA to come forward and state it is bad.
 
haven't read the whole thread but caught update. Think your correct in ' allowing ' her to do it. She obviously feels like she wants to try things, be a bit crazy in her life so she won't look back and think that she wasted her time. the rut thing i imagine pops into this a bit as well as life may have got a bit boring so shes trying to find some new excitement. wouldn't worry about her getting addicted to it. wouldn't worry at all. shes after a bit of fun

edit : as above its not crack its not heroin. most people with the statements have probably never tried it. E , mdma etc are all good and fun.
 
Rainmaker said:
Many of the later posters in this thread have somehow managed to sidetrack their arguments to "OMG drugs are bad; heroin! crack! cocaine!"... We're talking about MDMA, quit trying to straw-man the place.

For those referring to the fact they're illegal, take a moment to consider the weight of evidence presented independently to the government (at government request), only to be ignored completely. For example, it has often been recommended that Cannabis, Ecstasy and others be made legal and controlled. The result of this inquiry? The government upgrade Cannabis from Class C to Class B. Doh.

We're discussing MDMA here. Please don't spout about illegality and the effects of cocaine to support your arguments. It's spurious and makes you look ignorant. If you look at the actual literature (Wareing, Fisk, Parrot, Murphy et al.) you'll see that MDMA doesn't cause any real lasting damage, and even the tiny measurable differences from non-users are only really detectable in a laboratory setting.

For the "OMG but they're illegal!!1!" crowd - consider alcohol prohibition in the US. It's all very well having an opinion; we all have one of those. But do try to at least base yours on fact rather than conjecture, FUD and TV. This rather reminds me of a Bill Hicks quote:



:D :p

I've been threatened by drunks, seen people (innocent bystanders) beaten unconscious and worse by drunks. I've yet to see someone deep with empathy from ecstasy want to fight their neighbour... ;)
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Mate let the thread flow! It may have sidetracked but we're still discussing relevant and intresting points!
 
Its unfortunate that something obviously happened in your. I sort of understand where your coming from but i completley and %100 believe i've come out the other end a better and more well rounded person. I do think about stuff in a different manner but for the best part in a good way!
 
Sp00n said:
Yup.

/edit huh, I swear that said "drugs" and not MDMA in papa's post, uber-ninja-edit?
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Its unfortunate that something obviously happened in your years of taking drugs. I sort of understand where your coming from but i completley and fully 100% believe i've come out the other end a better and more well rounded person. I do think about stuff in a different manner but for the best part in a good way!

Sorry double post! doh!
 
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