Renowned journalist resigns in protest of attacks on press freedom

ianh said:
"World changing" = The Snowden Leaks . . .
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I think that we have rather drifted off the conspiracy theory put forward by by @mmj-uk that modern journalists employed by the corporate mainstream media which is mostly owned by Billionaires is suppressing details about the Democrats "stealing" the presidency from an alleged Billionaire.

Incidentally, I have absolutely no idea how or why the Guardian came by and broke the Snowden Leaks story - maybe Snowden knew that they were a respected, reputable, widely read newspaper that was not owned by a Billionaire :confused:
 
This is what modern corporate media passes for:

2016: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2017: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2018: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2019: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.

A 2-3 year investigation finds nothing of any significance.

2020: According to the same corporate media this election is 100% legit and they aren't even going to entertain claims that it wasn't, it was totally secure and impossible to corrupt in any way. Anyone who questions the legitimacy or calls for greater scrutiny of this particular election is just a conspiracy theorist and/or sore loser.

How can you push a Russia election interference narrative for 3-4 years and then just immediately say that the most recent election is absolutely unquestionable whilst censoring and ignoring evidence that shows things like poll watchers being obstructed/prevented from observing, software glitches and dead people having voted due to mail-in? not to mention key swing states taking an abnormally long time to count votes.

Would we be hearing the same story from the media if they had projected Trump to win?

How can people still take them seriously? it's pretty blatant that they have a huge bias.
 
Werewolf said:
The laptop was allegedly dropped off at a random computer store a couple of thousand miles from where he lived.
The Laptop is a macbook where the default is that it pushes you to encrypt it - and it wasn't.
There was a hard drive dropped off with it that has a warranty that suggests it was made AFTER it was dropped off if you go by the timeline that is being spouted.
The computer is in the hands of the FBI, no it's not in the hands of the FBI
The computer had child porn on it - yet the people who handled it made copies of it depending on which version of Rudy's story time you listen to (you would have to be thick as anything to do that given that means you're now up for a charge of possessing, distributing and making child porn) and the FBI haven't acted on the latop (they wouldn't leave it as child porn normally gets a fast response as it's an easy prosecution and opens the door for a really deep look into anything else).
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Then you've got the attempt to make the fact that Hunter Biden had another laptop seized when a therapist of his was arrested a big thing, despite the fact that the FBI handed it back once they knew it didn't belong to the the person they were after.
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While I think some of the stuff that has been hyped up can be taken with a large pinch of salt tbh... I'm not sure I'd necessarily dismiss the whole lot out of hand. How do you know the laptop isn't in the hands of the FBI?

I think the child porn thing sounds dubious but your dismissal of it doesn't work either - unless they know the identity of the young girls Biden is filmed having sex with then how are they supposed to know whether they're say 18 or 20 as opposed to 16 17 etc.. The only dismissal of it is that it just seems unlikely that any random person would be doing such a thing... given they've seemingly not been identified then the simplest explanation is they're just random young women. There certainly seem to be some censored photos online of him with women... so it seeems like there probably is a bit of self filmed smut on the thing.

I'm not sure about the first point either - what relevance does the store being thousands of miles away have? Ditto to the encryption? They've released emails, photos and videos... it certainly seems to help support the claim that the store had access to the laptop.

Am not sure what the warranty claim relates to.

Certainly does sound like Hunter Biden was cashing in on the family name with some deals that perhaps do warrant investigating if the emails are legit, doesn't necessarily implicate Joe Biden in anything dodgy mind.
 
mmj_uk said:
A 2-3 year investigation finds nothing of any significance.
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Ohhh...that's definitely a shift in you're previous absolute certainty they found nothing at all ;)

2020: According to the same corporate media this election is 100% legit and they aren't even going to entertain claims that it wasn't, it was totally secure and impossible to corrupt in any way. Anyone who questions the legitimacy or calls for greater scrutiny of this particular election is just a conspiracy theorist and/or sore loser.
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And you are both.

How can you push a Russia election interference narrative for 3-4 years
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Because Russian election interference is a known fact? As is the collusion between senior Trump campaign staffers and the Russians.

and then just immediately say that the most recent election is absolutely unquestionable whilst censoring and ignoring evidence that shows things like poll watchers being obstructed/prevented from observing, software glitches and dead people having voted due to mail-in? not to mention key swing states taking an abnormally long time to count votes.

Would we be hearing the same story from the media if they had projected Trump to win?
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Because this is a different 'alleged' interference, ie: direct interference in the actual process rather than indirect intrference using fake news. one that is nonsense and has nothing of substance to back it up and is being laughed out of court every time it's been presented so far. Only desperate CT nuts/sore losers are hanging on to this. Remember, he made similar accusations after last election, set up an investigation into it and it found nothing.

How can people still take them seriously? it's pretty blatant that they have a huge bias.
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You lost, get over it :D
 
mmj_uk said:
This is what modern corporate media passes for:

2016: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2017: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2018: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2019: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.

A 2-3 year investigation finds nothing of any significance.

2020: According to the same corporate media this election is 100% legit and they aren't even going to entertain claims that it wasn't, it was totally secure and impossible to corrupt in any way. Anyone who questions the legitimacy or calls for greater scrutiny of this particular election is just a conspiracy theorist and/or sore loser.

How can you push a Russia election interference narrative for 3-4 years and then just immediately say that the most recent election is absolutely unquestionable whilst censoring and ignoring evidence that shows things like poll watchers being obstructed/prevented from observing, software glitches and dead people having voted due to mail-in? not to mention key swing states taking an abnormally long time to count votes.

Would we be hearing the same story from the media if they had projected Trump to win?

How can people still take them seriously? it's pretty blatant that they have a huge bias.
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You really have been sucked in by the CT community, haven't you? If you can, I'd love to know more about the results of any intelligence test you've undertaken and what level of formal education you reached because I'm really interested in what leaves people so vulnerable to this.

As Freakbro says, Russian interference is undisputed. That it helped Trump is undisputed. That there was contact between the Russians and people close to Trump is undisputed. All that couldn't be proven was that there was criminal collusion beyond all reasonable doubt.

I note that instead of acknowledging how stupid it is to cite a Guardian article as proof the "MSM" aren't reporting something, you've segued to talking about the "corporate media" instead. This is very typical CT fallacious thinking. You may not have even noticed yourself doing it, but you're essentially maintaining a CT similar to the "God of the Gaps" fallacy some religious types employ.
 
garnett said:
You really have been sucked in by the CT community, haven't you? If you can, I'd love to know more about the results of any intelligence test you've undertaken and what level of formal education you reached because I'm really interested in what leaves people so vulnerable to this.

As Freakbro says, Russian interference is undisputed. That it helped Trump is undisputed. That there was contact between the Russians and people close to Trump is undisputed. All that couldn't be proven was that there was criminal collusion beyond all reasonable doubt.

I note that instead of acknowledging how stupid it is to cite a Guardian article as proof the "MSM" aren't reporting something, you've segued to talking about the "corporate media" instead. This is very typical CT fallacious thinking. You may not have even noticed yourself doing it, but you're essentially maintaining a CT similar to the "God of the Gaps" fallacy some religious types employ.
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In 2016 the roles between CT'ers on the losing side and the supporters of the winners were reversed to the current viewpoint. Now the feelings you have in 2020 of how "stupid" CT'ers are is a direct mirror to those of the 2016 Trump supporters who have seen the last 4 years of "Russian CT nonsense" and now you'll have to listen to the next 4 years of Trump CT'ers saying "the election was rigged" when they find small elements of truth (and they will), just like they did when "Russian collusion" CT'ers found elements of truth in their claims.

You're both two sides of the same coin, whether you're mature enough to acknowledge it or not.
 
ianh said:
In 2016 the roles between CT'ers on the losing side and the supporters of the winners were reversed to the current viewpoint. Now the feelings you have in 2020 of how "stupid" CT'ers are is a direct mirror to those of the 2016 Trump supporters who have seen the last 4 years of "Russian CT nonsense" and now you'll have to listen to the next 4 years of Trump CT'ers saying "the election was rigged" when they find small elements of truth (and they will), just like they did when "Russian collusion" CT'ers found elements of truth in their claims.

You're both two sides of the same coin, whether you're mature enough to acknowledge it or not.
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I'll tell you what, after all the evidence of this systemic and coordinated voter fraud has been presented and investigated, with the Biden campaign obstructing efforts and lying at every turn, they end up issuing 30+ indictments, getting guilty pleas and locking up various members of the Biden administration, then we'll talk about 2 sides of the same coin, ok?

When it turns out to be a nothing burger that gets laughed out of the lower courts, like each presentation so far, we'll just continue to deride the CT nuts who desperately cling to the fantasy.
 
mmj_uk said:
This is what modern corporate media passes for:

2016: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2017: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2018: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.
2019: 24/7 speculation about how Trump stole the election with help from Russia.

A 2-3 year investigation finds nothing of any significance.

2020: According to the same corporate media this election is 100% legit and they aren't even going to entertain claims that it wasn't, it was totally secure and impossible to corrupt in any way. Anyone who questions the legitimacy or calls for greater scrutiny of this particular election is just a conspiracy theorist and/or sore loser.

How can you push a Russia election interference narrative for 3-4 years and then just immediately say that the most recent election is absolutely unquestionable whilst censoring and ignoring evidence that shows things like poll watchers being obstructed/prevented from observing, software glitches and dead people having voted due to mail-in? not to mention key swing states taking an abnormally long time to count votes.

Would we be hearing the same story from the media if they had projected Trump to win?

How can people still take them seriously? it's pretty blatant that they have a huge bias.
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The people know the truth. They have despised Trump from the moment he won. It’s been a massive coalition from all enemy sides to slander, have him removed and now lose an election. It’s been planned and implemented. One that Mr Biden is only a pawn in. He will step down to the Harris woman in time.
I have no doubt they have used underhand tactics to force him out of office. The issue we have is, did they clean all the trails ??.
Sadly in an operation this large and the amount of “HATE” the left have for Trump, I would be surprised if it’s been not covered significantly. Sadly.

America will largely suffer now. Nothing will improve. Just massive focus and support for immigrants and ethnic minorities. So they bring in more vote support to cement power. Very similar to a UK Labour mentality.

I guess we can laugh at the fun trump will have in his final days in office. I’m sure there will be some decent fireworks. Plus maybe a few good solid laws and implementations that will trigger the left some. Just enjoy it while we can MMJUK.


This is what team Biden looks to implement first ...loooooooooooool
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Still confused who's alt this is...

It must be fun being a traitor and helping the Kremlin/CCP psyops succeed in destroying Western democracies. Thankfully (for whatever reason?), all these folks are huddling together on fewer/'freer' platforms with consequentially awful opsec, makes it so much easier to deal with.
 
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ImOffended said:
The people know the truth. They have despised Trump from the moment he won. It’s been a massive coalition from all enemy sides to slander, have him removed and now lose an election. It’s been planned and implemented. One that Mr Biden is only a pawn in. . . .
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Care to share with the rest of us what shadowy figures are behind this devious coalition?
You know, so that we can look out for and flee from them ;)

ImOffended said:
. . . the Harris woman . . . Making America black again. . . .
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WOW, just WOW!

HATE you say? :rolleyes:
 
StriderX said:
Still confused who's alt this is...

Anyway must be fun being a traitor and helping Kremlin/CCP psyops succeed. It's a good thing all these folks are huddling together on a few platforms with awful opsec, makes it so much easier to deal with.
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Why do you people repeat these things.? Have I not mentioned a few times now I know nothing about what you claim. ?

Is this just your version of “shutting down” a credible response. Or just to be plain rude and ignorant. ?

I fail to see any relevance to your reply. But although I wouldn’t like any of those mentioned movements to be in power, It wouldn’t possibly be any worse than Biden and a Labour gov. The real communists/extremists.
 
ianh said:
In 2016 the roles between CT'ers on the losing side and the supporters of the winners were reversed to the current viewpoint. Now the feelings you have in 2020 of how "stupid" CT'ers are is a direct mirror to those of the 2016 Trump supporters who have seen the last 4 years of "Russian CT nonsense" and now you'll have to listen to the next 4 years of Trump CT'ers saying "the election was rigged" when they find small elements of truth (and they will), just like they did when "Russian collusion" CT'ers found elements of truth in their claims.
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Very true, there is going to be some fraud discovered - certainly vote harvesting is an ongoing issue but much like after 2016 it's just going to be hyped up by some for partisan reasons, realistically it doesn't seem too likely that it actually changed anything. Nursing homes, immigrants in housing projects etc.. are obvious areas for this - there are stories from multiple past elections if you use google... and here is one recent one from this month: https://www.kwtx.com/2020/11/06/loc...h-134-counts-in-election-fraud-investigation/ How many voters or potential voters did that one involve? Grand total of 67.... Granted if you have more of a Tower Hamlets type situation in some inner city areas, maybe you could target say a small community/tower block etc.. then you could perhaps get into a few hundred... it's not necessarily going to change anything and if it was coordinated and getting into the tens of thousands then you'd probably detect it. Seems more sporadic and conducted by corrupt individuals.

Same sort of thing 4 years ago... the amount of hype re: "Cambridge Analytica" and the Russians bagging the election for Trump via social media was ridiculous. In the former case it was basically online marketing - nothing particularly special, in the latter case it was a small part of a much broader effort by Russia to meddle and sow division in the US in general. Much like the voter fraud stuff it exists, there is evidence of it... where it gets silly is where it is extrapolated and hyped up into some much bolder claim like a few million being paid to Cambridge Analytica actually changing the result of the election or Russian having done so etc.. or indeed Trump now losing because of fraud.

That isn't to say that these things aren't potentially serious - Russian interference is very serious as is voter fraud and as are concerns about what companies are doing with personal data on social media.
 
ImOffended said:
The people know the truth. They have despised Trump from the moment he won. It’s been a massive coalition from all enemy sides to slander, have him removed and now lose an election. It’s been planned and implemented. One that Mr Biden is only a pawn in. He will step down to the Harris woman in time. Making America black again.
I have no doubt they have used underhand tactics to force him out of office. The issue we have is, did they clean all the trails ??.
Sadly in an operation this large and the amount of “HATE” the left have for Trump, I would be surprised if it’s been not covered significantly. Sadly.

America will largely suffer now. Nothing will improve. Just massive focus and support for immigrants and ethnic minorities. So they bring in more vote support to cement power. Very similar to a UK Labour mentality.

I guess we can laugh at the fun trump will have in his final days in office. I’m sure there will be some decent fireworks. Plus maybe a few good solid laws and implementations that will trigger the left some. Just enjoy it while we can MMJUK.


This is what team Biden looks to implement first ...loooooooooooool
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Do you spend much money on antiseptic creams and bandages, or are your knuckles sufficiently calloused to make them redundant these days?
 
Freakbro said:
I'll tell you what, after all the evidence of this systemic and coordinated voter fraud has been presented and investigated, with the Biden campaign obstructing efforts and lying at every turn, they end up issuing 30+ indictments, getting guilty pleas and locking up various members of the Biden administration, then we'll talk about 2 sides of the same coin, ok?

When it turns out to be a nothing burger that gets laughed out of the lower courts, like each presentation so far, we'll just continue to deride the CT nuts who desperately cling to the fantasy.
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Quite. The false equivalence is quite staggering. @ianh, if you genuinely look at the evidence on each side and assess them to be equal, your vision is very impaired - either inherently, or through wearing big ol blinkers.
 
StriderX said:
Still confused who's alt this is...

It must be fun being a traitor and helping the Kremlin/CCP psyops succeed in destroying Western democracies. Thankfully (for whatever reason?), all these folks are huddling together on fewer/'freer' platforms with consequentially awful opsec, makes it so much easier to deal with.
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Surprised you've not worked it out, we spotted it on day 1 :D
 
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