Return to 'The Troubles'?

jordyGFC said:
"every structure", thats lies. Its only lamp posts and the odd different thing depending on the area. I dont walk down the castlereagh road and see any. I dont walk down the newtownards road and see them flying from telephone masts and radio towers.
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If they could get up to them they'd be there. ;)
 
ULP said:
It's the Island of Ireland, whether it's northern, south, east or west.

Far from a foreign nation.
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There is no flag of Ireland? Nor is it a nation?

I think you are referring to the Republic of Ireland. A separate country from Northern ireland, also based on the island of Ireland.
 
Mitzy said:
Politically decisive for who? Oh your referring to what a couple of thousand people out of the entire population of Belfast. The majority of the population are non-sectarian and do not care what Loyalists or Nationalists want, they want peace and a nice life. The sooner we are rid the better.

As it happens though I did contact my local Councillor, Anna Lo MLA (Alliance) today by telephone right after I received the email I posted above. Do you know what I told her? I explained that I fully supported her non-sectarian party and wish her and her colleagues all my support. I explained that I thought they should be sure to drive home their vision for a progressive shared future and that they were doing a good job. She was lovely to talk to and I'm sure I bored her but she thanked me for calling.
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I voted for them before this but this is not a shared future, they have got themselfs drawn into a sectarian vote, SF played them for fools. The proof of this is now being played out, they should have block the SF proposal and told both side to sort it out between themselfs. As for the few thousand people, don't be fooled into think that they don't have wide spread support.
 
jordyGFC said:
The people I'm seeing voting for alliance are the PUL communities. They are the ones trying to move on and let things be as they are. They have put up with a lot the past number of years and have been backed into a corner.
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It's genuinely a good thing that they were voting for the Alliance, they afterall have always championed a progressive and shared future. Did they think they Alliance party wouldn't be progressive?????

The people of west Belfast arnt voting for alliance. They are voting for Sinn fein / IRA! They are the ones in the past! They are the ones constantly pushing the PUL communities hoping to get a retaliation and spell some bad press!
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Sinn Fein = IRA I see this all the time, it's like you're brain washed. People don't vote for Sinn Fein not SF/IRA. Also a lot of West Belfast votes for SDLP too.

The people are speaking and the terrorists can do nothing about this now!
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WUT?
 
jordyGFC said:
You seem to have lost this argument then and are now going to give me no more valid points? yeah.
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Not lost anything wee man, go to the village on the donegall road and have a squint for yourself. My Chinese has arrived so feel free to prattle on till i get done :)
 
Orcish-Horde said:
In other words the superficial, no one has been killed or seriously injured. The police have got a lot of over time and some property has been damaged. A few politician will move home and likely lose a seat or two, come the next election. Maybe some will have to avoid a few protests on the way home or avoid Belfast city centre on Friday night. Not that much has been ruined given the underlining social problems, maybe if them social problems had been address non of this would have happened.
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Violence isn't superficial, £7m and extensive media coverage isn't superficial.

Play this down all you like; it's an absolute disgrace.

Having a problem of deprivation isn't an excuse for mindless thuggary and violence.
 
estebanrey said:
Why can't they they fly the Union flag AND the Irish flag?

Or is that too logical?
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Too logical, plus the intent it take away from ethnic identity to be displayed in such a vulgar way not accept that there are two identities that have to be equally shoved in everyones face. (if its not visible eventually everyone will forget about it)

jordyGFC said:
Why would they fly a flag from a foreign nation? And something that is very sensitive in this area? You clearly dont understand Northern Ireland..
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Not a foreign nation when the "state" (worst word to describe NI) is made up of close to 50% of people who feel they ethnically belong to the republic.

Plus the republic is about as un-foreign as it gets. As much as people want to bury their heads in the sands about it Northern Ireland has significantly more in common with the Republic than it does with the rest of the main land.
 
Orcish-Horde said:
I voted for them before this but this is not a shared future, they have got themselfs drawn into a sectarian vote, SF played them for fools. The proof of this is now being played out, they should have block the SF proposal and told both side to sort it out between themselfs. As for the few thousand people, don't be fooled into think that they don't have wide spread support.
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What they have done is wonderfully symbolic, Belfast is for all not just one community - they couldn't have done anything more inclusive. Where are all these people who offer wider support then, would they be the good folks sitting at home with their family eating their dinner watching it on the news muttering to themselves about their identity? Well if that's the remaining supporting demographic then fair enough but it doesn't trump the wishes of the majority.
 
Mitzy said:
It's genuinely a good thing that they were voting for the Alliance, they afterall have always championed a progressive and shared future. Did they think they Alliance party wouldn't be progressive?????



Sinn Fein = IRA I see this all the time, it's like you're brain washed. People don't vote for Sinn Fein not SF/IRA. Also a lot of West Belfast votes for SDLP too.


WUT?
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The SDLP are only voted for because there are not enough sinn fein standing.


And I would love to know how Sinn Fein are not IRA? Considering our current Deputy first leader was a well known IRA leader.

Terrorists refer to sinn fein in case you lacked the knowledge of the IRA's standing as a terrorist organisation.
 
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I've lived in Belfast the last 8 years, Everybody here knows the place covered in anything pro British / anti Irish. Union jacks, paramilitary intimidation murals, sectarian orange order presence, you could go on and on... It does nothing else but cause tension, people are sick to the back teeth with the whole thing. We want to be a forward thinking nation, and this cancer is intent on holding us back.
 
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pingwing said:
Too logical, plus the intent it take away from ethnic identity to be displayed in such a vulgar way not accept that there are two identities that have to be equally shoved in everyones face. (if its not visible eventually everyone will forget about it)



Not a foreign nation when the "state" (worst word to describe NI) is made up of close to 50% of people who feel they ethnically belong to the republic.

Plus the republic is about as un-foreign as it gets. As much as people want to bury their heads in the sands about it Northern Ireland has significantly more in common with the Republic than it does with the rest of the main land.
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Trust me, no where near 50% feel as though they belong to the republic.
 
Unfortunately its 99% rioting because they think its fun, 1% of people protesting for a cause they genuinely believe in.

Personally I think if some photoshop user were to make the birds in this image the same colour as the union flag and tricolour, I would love to see it fly from the city hall all year around.
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I'm yet to speak to anyone I know who actually cares what they do with the "fleg", the response is always along the lines of, just shoot the lot of them and deny their family benefits and compensation. Rioting really should strip away any protection human rights laws give a person.
 
jordyGFC said:
The SDLP are only voted for because there are not enough sinn fein standing.


And I would love to know how Sinn Fein are not IRA? Considering our current Deputy first leader was a well known IRA leader.

Terrorists refer to sinn fein encase you lacked the knowledge of the IRA's standing as a terrorist organisation.
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My word, please continue to enlighten us all.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Clearly they're not or they'd all be oh so enlightened as yourself.
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Haha they get the same education as the rest of us. But it boils down to them turning own area into a complete crap hole and in turn doing harm to themselves.

Anyway I am out, as yet again any thread about NI issues brings out the same old people moaning and living in the past. Get over it and move on
 
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Gerard said:
Ah because not everything goes your way anymore. Still stuck in the same "we rule the roost" mentality. Sorry, you don't :)
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No, I voted Alliance as am feed up with the main unionist partys, they have failed too deliever good government, they are no different to their counter parts in the SDLP and SF. They are collectivefully failing to deliever to the whole of NI.
 
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