Return to 'The Troubles'?

I've live in Belfast the last 8 years, Everybody knows the place covered in anything pro British / anti Irish. Union jacks, paramilitary intimidation murals, sectarian orange order presence, you could go on and on... It does nothing else but cause tension, people are sick to the back teeth with the whole thing. We want to be a forward thinking nation, and this cancer is intent on holding us back.

Well said. Now can you personally go and shout at all of the Sandy Row to stop having that utter rubbish painted everywhere because it embarrassed me when I had to live within walking distance of it (same for the stupid williame of orange ones or the "prepared for peace ready for war" nonsense everywhere).
 
I've live in Belfast the last 8 years, Everybody here knows the place covered in anything pro British / anti Irish. Union jacks, paramilitary intimidation murals, sectarian orange order presence, you could go on and on... It does nothing else but cause tension, people are sick to the back teeth with the whole thing. We want to be a forward thinking nation, and this cancer is intent on holding us back.

You sir, are a deluded man.
 
I've live in Belfast the last 8 years, Everybody knows the place covered in anything pro British / anti Irish. Union jacks, paramilitary intimidation murals, sectarian orange order presence, you could go on and on... It does nothing else but cause tension, people are sick to the back teeth with the whole thing. We want to be a forward thinking nation, and this cancer is intent on holding us back.

Yeah, it's entirely one sided... Nothing like anti British / pro Irish, tricolours, dissident murders and murals, sectarian AOH, you could go on and on...
 
Ireland meaning the Irish free state.

The tri-colour's original symbolism was peace and unity between Catholics and Protestants. Hence why it is called the 'Flag Of Ireland' and not the 'Flag Of The Irish Free State'.

Just because nationalists hijacked it for their cause doesn't detract from what it ACTUALLY stands for. That's like saying the Union flag is the flag of the BNP or the St George's flag is the flag of the 'EDL State'.

The point was, saying there is no "Flag of Ireland" is incorrect as that is what the tri-colour is officially called. Not liking that description doesn't change that fact.
 
Unfortunately its 99% rioting because they think its fun, 1% of people protesting for a cause they genuinely believe in.

Personally I think if some photoshop user were to make the birds in this image the same colour as the union flag and tricolour, I would love to see it fly from the city hall all year around.

I'm yet to speak to anyone I know who actually cares what they do with the "fleg", the response is always along the lines of, just shoot the lot of them and deny their family benefits and compensation. Rioting really should strip away any protection human rights laws give a person.

We were discussing this in work, atheist, Protestant and Catholic lot oh and one Canadian we reached the same conclusion. The ones out rioting couldn't possible have jobs because the times they've got it all organised for. Stop their benefits or arrest the gits or both.
 
The tri-colour's original symbolism was peace and unity between Catholics and Protestants. Hence why it is called the 'Flag Of Ireland' and not the 'Flag Of The Irish Free State'.

Just because nationalists hijacked it for their cause doesn't detract from what it ACTUALLY stands for. That's like saying the Union flag is the flag of the BNP or the St George's flag is the flag of the 'EDL State'.

It is the flag of the Irish free state though... and calling it the flag of ireland and claiming it encompasses all assumes that a large portion of the populace didn't vote against joining the Irish free state and for the subsequent partition into north and south.
 
Sinn Fein = IRA I see this all the time, it's like you're brain washed. People don't vote for Sinn Fein not SF/IRA. Also a lot of West Belfast votes for SDLP too.

You should research more into the backgrounds of sf members, you will find quite a few have been convicted of committing crimes as members of the ira/pira.
 
You should research more into the backgrounds of sf members, you will find quite a few have been convicted of committing crimes as members of the ira/pira.

Even the Irish government has said that Sinn Fein members have held positions on the IRA army council.
 
We were discussing this in work, atheist, Protestant and Catholic lot oh and one Canadian we reached the same conclusion. The ones out rioting couldn't possible have jobs because the times they've got it all organised for. Stop their benefits or arrest the gits or both.

You have no facts to back up any of these pints what so ever. Most people are not on benefits. I believe you are thinking about ardoyne on the 12th of July rioting.
 
Yeah, it's entirely one sided... Nothing like anti British / pro Irish, tricolours, dissident murders and murals, sectarian AOH, you could go on and on...

That argument only works if NI British and Protestantism as identities didn't stoop to the levels you have identified. The prepared for peace, ready for war murals for example are pathetic. Same goes for the william of orange stuff or the continued orange order nonsense. Nothing but flagrant antagonism that have nothing to do with being British and everything to do with putting the finger to nationalist NI.

NI British get on their high horse so much about how nationalist NI is all about celebrating murderers and so on but have absolutely no grasp of the irony of their own position.

Thought as much, I have some family down that way in Ardboe and it's an odd part of the county. At least in Omagh people pretty much get on with things.

At least its not just me that finds the area weird and creepy... (wish the gf didn't still live there). Ardboe is a nightmare, most of her family live in the next village over and after 3 years I still feel very uncomfortable there alone. Creepy area and a strange reflection of how NI can be.

Omagh seemed fairly nice on the odd visit there. Never at a big or busy time but no one gave me that "your english what are you doing here" stare.
 
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That argument only works if NI British and Protestantism as identities didn't stoop to the levels you have identified. The prepared for peace, ready for war murals for example are pathetic. Same goes for the william of orange stuff or the continued orange order nonsense. Nothing but flagrant antagonism that have nothing to do with being British and everything to do with putting the finger to nationalist NI.

NI British get on their high horse so much about how nationalist NI is all about celebrating murderers and so on but have absolutely no grasp of the irony of their own position.

Both sides are as bad as each other was my point.
 
Get your head out of you back side, Making history > Not living in it.

You talk pure ****. A Republican could walk into a loyalist area and nothing would be said. If a loyalist walked into a republican area I doubt hed get out on his feet.
 
What they have done is wonderfully symbolic, Belfast is for all not just one community - they couldn't have done anything more inclusive. Where are all these people who offer wider support then, would they be the good folks sitting at home with their family eating their dinner watching it on the news muttering to themselves about their identity? Well if that's the remaining supporting demographic then fair enough but it doesn't trump the wishes of the majority.

The majority of who? 50% of the population don't vote, if one looks at the city council the flag was removed to the democratic wish of 30% of the Belfast population at best. Given that Alliance draw heavily from Unionist population, its clear to see that they totally misread their electorate. Not every one want to protest that doesn't mean they dont support the issue.
 
You talk pure ****. A Republican could walk into a loyalist area and nothing would be said. If a loyalist walked into a republican area I doubt hed get out on his feet.

Really?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ten-catholic-teen-left-for-dead-16101557.html

The teenager was confronted by a mob in the loyalist Village area of the city where a production team had just finished filming a scene for the movie, The Good Man, starring The Wire's Aidan Gillen. Four other friends who were with him had also been taking part in the film.

A gang surrounded their car, pulling off a wing mirror and smashing a window. They then made a run for it, but James, a trainee chef from the Catholic Short Strand area on the far side of the city, was caught. At one stage he tried to hide in a nearby house, calling on the family: "Please help me. They're going to kill me."
 
So do you think the St George's flag belongs to the EDL?

There's really no difference other than the scale.

It is called the 'Flag Of Ireland', that is indisputable fact (so the claim there is no 'Flag Of Ireland' is false).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ireland
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/flag-of-Ireland.html

If it doesn't represent protestants, what do you think the orange bit is for?

I don't know what point you're trying to make about the EDL. But not many people know what point you're ever trying to make on here anyway.

The orange bit represents protestants... that live in the Irish free state. The flag of Northern Ireland was the Union Jack when the island was partitioned. The Ulster banner was then used for a while until the Northern Ireland government was abolished and then the Union Jack again.
 
You should research more into the backgrounds of sf members, you will find quite a few have been convicted of committing crimes as members of the ira/pira.

Oh I know some of their backgrounds but what was claimed was people voting for SF/IRA, the people are not voting for the IRA. That was my point.
 
NI British get on their high horse so much about how nationalist NI is all about celebrating murderers and so on but have absolutely no grasp of the irony of their own position.

Always a head scratcher that one, I'm a nationalist (whom incidentally has never voted nor has any desire to) And by default I'm a murderer supporter. They're arguments are so futile half the time that it requires no response.
 
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