Road Cycling

[Roady]

lordrobs in "I got another bike light and I'm disappointed with it" shocker

Does sound as if it's faulty?! return them both and hold out for some Black Friday deals!

Roady, that cycling bargains site may have just cost me £350 you git!

Lol! What did you find? I drew a bit of a blank...

I can't take Zwift segments with anything other than a huge pinch of salt as there are so many variables. In fact I wish I could just automatically log the workouts to Strava without having the stupid made up map and "LOL, nailed it (with resistance set to minimum)" segments.

Haha I know, thankfully they're 'fake' enough (and obviously logged virtual) that they're hard to mistake as 'real'. People re-riding segments indoors are much harder to recognise unless they log their rides as such. It's easy to edit the ride type and it looks like the .tcx/.fit contain enough GPS data to plot.

The Zwift ones are probably only useful to monitor your own progress. Check the guys doing 20mph up an 8% ramp. I'd like to think we could 'trust' our group here to be fairly honest in their setups, so comparing a shorter segment like that one can be pretty good fun - https://www.strava.com/segments/11698494/leaderboard?club_id=12099&filter=club (if anyone know what URL to copy club segment stats let me know!).

Almost 300W for 4 minutes is good for me, doubt I can do it for 5, yet! There's also no catching Berger without some serious winter training!

 

[xdcx]

I'm not disputing their general accuracy but their resting figures seem to be based on the lowest recorded reading that day.

Maybe my resting HR is inconsistent (44 on Sunday, 61 today for example) because I don't wear it overnight.

I can't take Zwift segments with anything other than a huge pinch of salt as there are so many variables. In fact I wish I could just automatically log the workouts to Strava without having the stupid made up map and "LOL, nailed it (with resistance set to minimum)" segments.

Does the Garmin wrist HR base your resting on the lowest it seen in a 24 hour window for example?
My fitbit for example shows 39BPM overnight sleeping a few times, but typically around 50-52BPM sat at my desk all day as "resting" so tends to show my resting heart rate as 50BPM most days. So Fitbit is for sure averaging from lowest taken and across the time period, not stating the lowest measured as average which makes no sense.

 

[xdcx]

Long sighted? The way I understand things, most short sightedness is the lens of the eye being too thick (which they can laser away), whereas most long sightedness is caused by lens shape and much harder to correct (they can't just laser it away).

I think your spot on in general terms, yeah.
The biggest problem with mine is the lens shape hence the contact lens problems with what is available.
People always ask if long or short sighted but the truth is that I am equally as blind in both regards

 

[randomshenans]

Almost 300W for 4 minutes is good for me, doubt I can do it for 5, yet! There's also no catching Berger without some serious winter training!

Da hell? I'm getting spanked on that one.. what course is that? I'm doing it tonight and slapping your time

 

[BennyC]

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50BPM isn't low and if taken from the wrist I would take that resting HR with a pinch of salt.

This Fitbit thing I have tends to be out about 3/4BPM at times during rest and when up around threshold 184BPM the Fitbit can be as much as 10BPM lower.
This is compared with my Garmin chest strap at both resting and threshold. But at resting I can also compare with counting pulse for 30 seconds and doubling. The Garmin chest strap is insanely accurate, but measured at the wrist is always a bit out which coincides with what I have read due to the way in which they measure and almost all variants share this same technology.
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I'd agree with this. My FitBit is 10bpm higher at the wrist.

This was recorded with a Garmin HRM overnight. Yes, I've seen a cardiologist

Slobbing on the sofa with a Wahoo TickR

Interestingly, though unsurprisingly, Oximeter's are accurate despite measuring at the finger. (At my desk @ work)

 

[randomshenans]

You're dead inside.

 

[BennyC]

You're dead inside.

I'm definitely cold, but not quite dead, inside

 

[merlin]

Technically speaking Benny can you still class yourself as human species with a sub 40 pulse?

I've noticed my recovery rate is improving, the 2 min drop in bpm, do you guys pay much attention to recovery rates or are you more interested in heart rates for training in the right zones?

 

[Jonny69]

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[xdcx]

Benny, nice resting rate What is your maximal out of interest?
When I was at my fittest running, my HR was down at 34-36 regularly, even after 3 weeks training at 6000ft I got my resting up there to <40. But as a cyclist, even when racing fit, I never see below 44 really, no idea what that is all about but I am able to attain a much higher maximal on the bike than I ever did running.

I've noticed my recovery rate is improving, the 2 min drop in bpm, do you guys pay much attention to recovery rates or are you more interested in heart rates for training in the right zones?

Recovery rates and HR upon waking in the morning are exceptionally useful when you are monitoring fatigue and fitness. So I don't particularly monitor my time to recover to resting or a certain zone but I do measure immediately at wake up time during the racing season before I hope on the turbo the day of a race or on the days leading up to a couple big training sessions. I tally that up against TSB and CTL in Golden Cheetah or Training Peaks and it's a good double check and re-assurance of where you are health/fitness and ability wise.

If you are logging and monitoring this data now and serious about training over coming years, definitely keep it up and keep logging.

 

[BennyC]

Technically speaking Benny can you still class yourself as human species with a sub 40 pulse?

I've noticed my recovery rate is improving, the 2 min drop in bpm, do you guys pay much attention to recovery rates or are you more interested in heart rates for training in the right zones?

I'm in hibernation mode 24/7 365

I was taught (in PE during secondary school) that the speed at which you can recover to RHR is the true measure of fitness. The intensity, duration etc of which you can sustain exercise comes down to endurance, stamina etc but that fitness is recovery related, though often it's all classed under the same umbrealla by the masses

I do take note of HR, though I also have power data. I don't measure recovery but am conscious of where it falls too between intervals on the turbo.

Benny, nice resting rate What is your maximal out of interest?
When I was at my fittest running, my HR was down at 34-36 regularly, even after 3 weeks training at 6000ft I got my resting up there to <40. But as a cyclist, even when racing fit, I never see below 44 really, no idea what that is all about but I am able to attain a much higher maximal on the bike than I ever did running.

Ta, 184 so far. Used to struggle to see over 175 when I first started cycling.

This is my hardest effort to date so far. Avg 177bpm, max 183bpm, for 0.8miles 6+ minutes. 27 second PB but safe to say I've never been so bent out of shape at the top of a climb in my life! Took me a good 5 minutes to feel human again and for the next 15 I felt like I was dying, it was 26 degrees too

Recovery rates and HR upon waking in the morning are exceptionally useful when you are monitoring fatigue and fitness. So I don't particularly monitor my time to recover to resting or a certain zone but I do measure immediately at wake up time during the racing season before I hope on the turbo the day of a race or on the days leading up to a couple big training sessions. I tally that up against TSB and CTL in Golden Cheetah or Training Peaks and it's a good double check and re-assurance of where you are health/fitness and ability wise.

If you are logging and monitoring this data now and serious about training over coming years, definitely keep it up and keep logging.

Think I've seen this mentioned in an article I read somewhere but isn't something I've tracked myself as I don't compete. I usually know based on my volume, TSB & CTL plus general feel when I'm over reaching. Might take note of it if I can remember for comparative purposes

 

[xdcx]

A good strong/healthy heart that is you have there. Good genetics

 

[merlin]

Bagsy Benny's heart if he ever gets run over by a bus.

 

[Roady]

People always ask if long or short sighted but the truth is that I am equally as blind in both regards

lol

do you guys pay much attention to recovery rates or are you more interested in heart rates for training in the right zones?

I've only been interested in HR as a method of judging effort for endurance/climbing as part of my riding than anything else. I've used it the 'easy' way when 'training' on the turbo but equally I know I've been under using it. I don't log anything and taking my resting HR isn't something I do regularly. Maybe I'll start to use it for managing fatigue levels when I'm riding heavier in the spring.

I'm stuck commuting by car these days but thought I'd drop in and say hi.

omghi2u! Good to see you're still thinking of us and hope things are feeling better in the warmer weather!

Good genetics

That's not something you can train!

Benny, are you a zombie?

I usually know based on my volume, TSB & CTL plus general feel when I'm over reaching. Might take note of it if I can remember for comparative purposes

Are these easier to track with a PWM? Without?

I started looking at them previously but the amount of data I'd have to start manually logging and calculating put me off. Riding daily I would want to include my commutes in any metrics so ease is quite important to me (so I fell back on the Strava 'Fitness & Freshness chart' as a stop-gap). I'm very interested in CTL and TSS as I would like a way to manage my riding to peak for certain goals next year. Less interseted in TSB as isn't that just 'Form'?

 

[Roady]

Anyone need a winter bike?
Trek Domane 4 Disc with guards, carbon frame, TRP Hy/RD's & Sora. £900
Cannondale Synapse, carbon frame, 685 hydra's & Ultegra. £1600.

Interesting new limited edition design from DHB, with the Black/Multi colouring looking very familiar to something else... Anyone else spot it?

Not really spotted anything on the Wiggle 'Black Friday' #5 & missed the other days. Nothing I'm even remotely interested in is discounted further than I've seen before. Anyone spot any?

 

[Roady]

Weird one, won these on ebay from this seller and they turned up in a Wiggle jiffy, with a Wiggle 'paid' label on it. The gloves inside have a hand written & taped on number which suspiciously looks the same as a Wiggle returns number!

Good seller with some amazing 0.01p start price auctions of regular things including lots of DHB. Be careful though, much of it is used and marked/damaged.

TLDR; Wiggle flog returned damaged items on eBay.

 

[xdcx]

Are these easier to track with a PWM? Without?

I started looking at them previously but the amount of data I'd have to start manually logging and calculating put me off. Riding daily I would want to include my commutes in any metrics so ease is quite important to me (so I fell back on the Strava 'Fitness & Freshness chart' as a stop-gap). I'm very interested in CTL and TSS as I would like a way to manage my riding to peak for certain goals next year. Less interseted in TSB as isn't that just 'Form'?

You need a PWM to accurately track CTL, ATL, TSB from TSS.
Your Strava fitness and freshness is calculated from HRM which is not going to be anywhere near as accurate as a combination of HR and power output to establish a TSS for the training.

TSB is the one you should be interested in as that directly shows how "fresh" you are and projects how "fresh" you will be on a given time in the near future. You could also calculate an exact TSB and aim for that through training to achieve specific TSS values during a training block on the runup to an event.

Your CTL can be sky high, but if your insanely fatigued because of that and have exceptionally low TSB, you will perform well below your expectations so TSB is the one you need.

All of the above can be tracked in a proper Performance Management Chart, the Strava thing you use comes close but it's not going to be anywhere near accurate enough to peak for events specifically. Training with a power meter is ideally the next step for you with regards cycling mate.

 

[SoliD]

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Not really spotted anything on the Wiggle 'Black Friday' #5 & missed the other days. Nothing I'm even remotely interested in is discounted further than I've seen before. Anyone spot any?

Those dhb jerseys look nice. and noooooooooooo they had supercaz bar tape! I need some new stuff.


If anyone sees any Carbon CX bikes in a medium/54ish size with full hydro set up shout!

 

[BennyC]

A good strong/healthy heart that is you have there. Good genetics

Ta all that heavy powerlifting & bodybuilding and HIIT intervals I do have Raynauds' and at times pretty severe head-rush/bradycardia. Takes about 30-45 seconds for my blood pressure to adjust from standing.

Heartporn:

Spoiler

Bagsy Benny's heart if he ever gets run over by a bus.

What if it's flat as a pancake?

Are these easier to track with a PWM? Without?

I started looking at them previously but the amount of data I'd have to start manually logging and calculating put me off. Riding daily I would want to include my commutes in any metrics so ease is quite important to me (so I fell back on the Strava 'Fitness & Freshness chart' as a stop-gap). I'm very interested in CTL and TSS as I would like a way to manage my riding to peak for certain goals next year. Less interseted in TSB as isn't that just 'Form'?

What xdcx said. I'd recommend TrainingPeaks, with a British Cycling subscription it's £40~ per year, syncs with Strava and will give you a PMC, CTL, ATL, TSB, Ramp Rates and more graphs & charts you can shake a stick at and has an App too. Yes GoldenCheetah is free but it's not very user friendly at first and requires a bit more manual work but is ultimately the better choice if you are prepared to invest time in it.

Fullsize

(Haven't gone for 5s or 1min power properly yet before you 'lol' at my power profile There's also a power curve profile too but obviously I need a bigger screen )

Your CTL can be sky high, but if your insanely fatigued because of that and have exceptionally low TSB, you will perform well below your expectations so TSB is the one you need.

Just to add, as you would expect, the PMC won't account for anything like illness, lack of sleep or any other psychological or stress related factors. It's a very good guide but not infallible

 

[lordrobs]

Does sound as if it's faulty?! return them both and hold out for some Black Friday deals!

This one was a Black Friday deal I'll reset it, charge it up fully and give it another go. If I don't have any joy I'll have to send it back

Does the Garmin wrist HR base your resting on the lowest it seen in a 24 hour window for example?
My fitbit for example shows 39BPM overnight sleeping a few times, but typically around 50-52BPM sat at my desk all day as "resting" so tends to show my resting heart rate as 50BPM most days. So Fitbit is for sure averaging from lowest taken and across the time period, not stating the lowest measured as average which makes no sense.

That is basically what the Garmin does yeah. DC Rainmaker couldn't make sense of the number it was throwing out and he knows more about these things than me. It is the one thing that my Fitbit did better than the Garmin.