Road Cycling

Shamrock · 19 Jan 2017 at 13:40

I see a guy commute on a Pinarello Dogma, doesn't make it a commuter bike!

I'd just get the Panaracers I normally buy if Wiggle actually had stock. Was attracted to the low price of the 'Lifeline Prime Armour'.

Lethal` · 19 Jan 2017 at 13:40

Roady said:
Did anyone pickup any of the conti's on sale on the Canyon site? Have been meaning to grab a single 28mm gp4000 (as I already have one) for Diverge summer use. Just wondered what postage was like, time & cost?

Nope but I saw a great price on some Schwalbe Nobby Nics (my MTB Racing Ralphs are like Skater skins on anything remotely damp/muddy) that I was going to order until I saw delivery is £7. It basically wiped out the discount compared to CRC.

grudas · 19 Jan 2017 at 13:47

Shamrock said:
I see a guy commute on a Pinarello Dogma, doesn't make it a commuter bike!

I'd just get the Panaracers I normally buy if Wiggle actually had stock. Was attracted to the low price of the 'Lifeline Prime Armour'.

it is a commuter bike if you commute on it?

my bike was never intended to be a daily commuter but it does the job well and I prefer it to a more relaxed/soft riding "commuter" bike aka a single speed with fat tyres.

SoliD · 19 Jan 2017 at 13:51

Shamrock said:
They do seem to be the sort of tyre that competes with a GP4000s and not GP4Season but I guess you've had a positive experience.

I'm only wondering because I've got my new commuter rims and feel like I should fit new tyres on them too.

These caught my eye...

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-prime-armour-road-tyre/

Got these based on the road.cc review, and have been very impressed, touch wood no p words in a good few k miles, have plenty of grip for commuting, but don't inspire amazing confidence liek a GP4000s. Tough to get on though is my only gripe. Spotted they do them again in 28s, will definitely get these in future.

Shamrock · 19 Jan 2017 at 13:52

I think we're getting into semantics!

Yes, the bike you commute on is a commuter bike by definition but it may not have been originally designed for that purpose or function. I've commuted many times on my road bike with GP4000s tyres successfully without a puncture but I still wouldn't consider a GP4000s or similar tyre the best fit for my commuting needs.

SoliD said:
Got these based on the road.cc review

The Lifelines Prime Armour, not Schwalbe Ones?

grudas · 19 Jan 2017 at 13:57

Shamrock said:
I think we're getting into semantics!

Yes, the bike you commute on is a commuter bike by definition but it may not have been originally designed for that purpose or function. I've commuted many times on my road bike with GP4000s tyres successfully without a puncture but I still wouldn't consider a GP4000s or similar tyre the best fit for my commuting needs.

The Lifelines Prime Armour, not Schwalbe Ones?

well true, but what would by definition be a commuter bike and tyre then?

commuter tyre you want -;

all around performance so grip, puncture resistance, low rolling but not too fused about weight?

at least those are the points I try to tick when looking for tyres.

SDK^ · 19 Jan 2017 at 13:59

grudas said:
yup, I'm not comparing them to GP4000's as I've had no experiance of them.

I simply got them to try and have done a over 3k miles now on a 2nd set and I have yet to get a puncture or any problems.

grip is good
puncture protection is great
rolling resistance is low
price is decent

it's a perfect training/commuting tire. I run 25c.

The Schwalbe One tyre is a summer race tyre - I ran two sets last year, yes they are fast but very fragile. The rubber cuts easily and exposes the tube.

I'm running GP Seasons through this winter and they are the perfect Winter tyre in my opinion. When the rubber cuts the double inner belt protection stops any tube exposure worries.

I've also used Schwable Durano tyres in the winter without punctures but the Conti Season rubber is better.
I'm looking forward to trying out the Conti GP 4000S II tyres on my new Aeroad when the weather improves

Shamrock · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:04

grudas said:
well true, but what would by definition be a commuter bike and tyre then?

To stick with Schwalbe, I'd class the Durano or Marathon as their commuter tyres.

Commuter bike, something with larger tyre clearance, mounting for guards and panniers?

grudas · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:04

SDK^ said:
The Schwalbe One tyre is a summer race tyre - I ran two sets last year, yes they are fast but very fragile. The rubber cuts easily and exposes the tube.

I'm running GP Seasons through this winter and they are the perfect Winter tyre in my opinion. When the rubber cuts the double inner belt protection stops any tube exposure worries.

weird, I swear by them! I had pro 4's before and those were softer and got cut up easy.

ONE's have lasted ages and I commute through everything. I gear rocks/glass pop out of the tyre often and they're still going.

I feel like I'm going to jinx it.

SoliD · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:07

Shamrock said:
I think we're getting into semantics!

Yes, the bike you commute on is a commuter bike by definition but it may not have been originally designed for that purpose or function. I've commuted many times on my road bike with GP4000s tyres successfully without a puncture but I still wouldn't consider a GP4000s or similar tyre the best fit for my commuting needs.

The Lifelines Prime Armour, not Schwalbe Ones?

Lifeline.

SDK^ · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:08

grudas said:
weird, I swear by them! I had pro 4's before and those were softer and got cut up easy.

ONE's have lasted ages and I commute through everything. I gear rocks/glass pop out of the tyre often and they're still going.

I feel like I'm going to jinx it.

3k miles on a set is pushing it, especially the rear. I changed mine for another set after 1.5k miles. You are probably a lighter slower rider though

jonneymendoza · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:13

Hi all. i notice on my new bike it is quite loud when coasting? is this normal? its like a click click type sound that u hear on a coasted bike.

However, my previous bike and my mtb is dead silent?

SDK^ · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:14

jonneymendoza said:
Hi all. i notice on my new bike it is quite loud when coasting? is this normal? its like a click click type sound that u hear on a coasted bike.

However, my previous bike and my mtb is dead silent?

Some freehubs click more than others - Hope hubs for example are very loud.

hornetstinger · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:16

jonneymendoza said:
Hi all. i notice on my new bike it is quite loud when coasting? is this normal? its like a click click type sound that u hear on a coasted bike.

However, my previous bike and my mtb is dead silent?

Quite normal. Some are silent some are very loud. My Campagnolo hubs for example are loud, but the one in the Bizango is silent.

Lethal` · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:24

My Zonda hub started off really quiet and got really loud within a week or so and now the bearings are screwed again with a bit of freehub play too.

Hope hubs are super loud. Chris King tops them though!

hornetstinger · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:26

Lethal` said:
My Zonda hub started off really quiet and got really loud within a week or so and now the bearings are screwed again with a bit of freehub play too.

Hope hubs are super loud. Chris King tops them though!

I've got two sets of Ventos. Done thousands and still run smooth and spin freely. Stayed true as well.

Lethal` · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:29

hornetstinger said:
I've got two sets of Ventos. Done thousands and still run smooth and spin freely. Stayed true as well.

Yeah they've stayed true for sure and I quite like them. A lot stiffer than the Aksiums I'm back on now.

Going to have to take them in for a service and hope it's just the freehub bearing and not needing a replacement freehub.

BennyC · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:33

grudas said:
weird, I swear by them! I had pro 4's before and those were softer and got cut up easy.

ONE's have lasted ages and I commute through everything. I gear rocks/glass pop out of the tyre often and they're still going.

I feel like I'm going to jinx it.

Was dead impressed with the One's when I used them too :cool:

Roady · 19 Jan 2017 at 14:55

Shamrock said:
Perhaps, but you are still comparing two "race" tyres.

FrenchTart said:
Indeed. I wouldn't describe either as "commuter" tyres.

The age old what determines a commuter tyre or a race tyre...

Puncture resistance/Hard wearing/price for commuter? Rolling resistance/speed/grip/price for race?

For me a 'commuter tyre' is too broad a term. Personally my mileage would have to probably be over 6000 miles a year before I would be wearing tyres out quick enough to consider buying tyres (& wheels!) specifically for commuting. Until then a good combo tyre (Mitch Pro4E) is fast enough, cheap enough (<£25) and has enough puncture resitance to fulfil all roles. When a Conti 4000sii is getting towards the same price range it can easily be a premium replacement. The GP 4Seasons are a superb tyre, but they don't offer me much over the Specialized Roubaix Pro in grip/wet weather/winter to consider them, unless they're closer to the £22 I can get the Roubaix for!

Lethal` said:
Nope but I saw a great price on some Schwalbe Nobby Nics (my MTB Racing Ralphs are like Skater skins on anything remotely damp/muddy) that I was going to order until I saw delivery is £7. It basically wiped out the discount compared to CRC.

Yeah thought that was the case when I looked, 'save' by getting a GP4000sii for £25, then pay £7+ for delivery (and wait for a week or more delivery if Rose are any comparison), when they're £30 on Wiggle anyway with free 3-4 day delivery. Wiggle even doing a 'save 5% when you order 2. Dammit I only need one! :rolleyes:

I picked one up new/unused with damaged packaging from the Wiggle 'bay page for £24 (+£3 postage which I offset by ordering several things from them the same time...) :cool:

I'm after something like a Nobby Nic in 700C for my Diverge, I've seen Continental Cyclecross Race/Speed/X-Cross but they only seem to be 35mm or wider, Ideally I'm after a 32mm for the front and a 30mm for the rear and I'm fairly sure they'll then go under my guards...! Any suggestions anyone?

TLDR; Most of the well regarded 700C nobbly tyres don't come smaller than 35mm (or 32mm). Alternatives?

jonneymendoza said:
Hi all. i notice on my new bike it is quite loud when coasting? is this normal? its like a click click type sound that u hear on a coasted bike.

However, my previous bike and my mtb is dead silent?

If they're the Giant PR2 wheels then the freehub will quieten down but well worth your LBS checking out in 6 months or so, my LBS found that the pawls had come barely greased and a spring had broken within 6 weeks. Greased and replaced and they sounded much better (and continued to make the same noise not get louder/quieter). I replaced them with Compag Khamsim's as I had terrible problems with the Giant wheels just not staying true, got tired of taking them back to the LBS. Campag freehubs are a much better noise!

jonneymendoza · 19 Jan 2017 at 15:00

Roady said:
The age old what determines a commuter tyre or a race tyre...
Puncture resistance/Hard wearing/price for commuter? Rolling resistance/speed/grip/price for race?

For me a 'commuter tyre' is too broad a term. Personally my mileage would have to probably be over 6000 miles a year before I would be wearing tyres out quick enough to consider buying tyres (& wheels!) specifically for commuting. Until then a good combo tyre (Mitch Pro4E) is fast enough, cheap enough (<£25) and has enough puncture resitance to fulfil all roles. When a Conti 4000sii is getting towards the same price range it can easily be a premium replacement. The GP 4Seasons are a superb tyre, but they don't offer me much over the Specialized Roubaix Pro in grip/wet weather/winter to consider them, unless they're closer to the £22 I can get the Roubaix for!

Yeah thought that was the case when I looked, 'save' by getting a GP4000sii for £25, then pay £7+ for delivery (and wait for a week or more delivery if Rose are any comparison), when they're £30 on Wiggle anyway with free 3-4 day delivery. Wiggle even doing a 'save 5% when you order 2. Dammit I only need one!

I picked one up new/unused with damaged packaging from the Wiggle 'bay page for £24 (+£3 postage which I offset by ordering several things from them the same time...)

I'm after something like a Nobby Nic in 700C for my Diverge, I've seen Continental Cyclecross Race/Speed/X-Cross but they only seem to be 35mm or wider, Ideally I'm after a 32mm for the front and a 30mm for the rear and I'm fairly sure they'll then go under my guards...! Any suggestions anyone?

TLDR; Most of the well regarded 700C nobbly tyres don't come smaller than 35mm (or 32mm). Alternatives?
If they're the Giant PR2 wheels then the freehub will quieten down but well worth your LBS checking out in 6 months or so, my LBS found that the pawls had come barely greased and a spring had broken within 6 weeks. Greased and replaced and they sounded much better (and continued to make the same noise not get louder/quieter). I replaced them with Compag Khamsim's as I had terrible problems with the Giant wheels just not staying true, got tired of taking them back to the LBS. Campag freehubs are a much better noise!

this is the new bike i have http://www.decathlon.co.uk/ultra-720-af-road-bike-ultegra-id_8331274.html