Rocket lake leaks

[Harlequin]

Linus showed (much to his OMFG then silence moment) that its a lie about not being able to buy Ryzen 5 5600x or 5800x at msrp

 

[Alex h]

Anandtech's 11700k results look bugged to me. Likely beta/pre-release bios not helping, or something else going on they're not aware of. They also tested on a questionable air cooler for some reason.

We already know that stock 11900k out of the box will beat Zen 3 in gaming, I'm just looking forward to how far it can be pushed when overclocked:

Oh, and it's worth mentioning that you'll likely actually be able to buy a 11900k, since Intel have their own fabs to make huge quantities. Meanwhile, I've not once seen the 5900x in stock anywhere.

This is just pure trolling now you posted this in 2 threads its getting stupid now

 

[Zeeflyboy]

Anandtech's 11700k results look bugged to me. Likely beta/pre-release bios not helping, or something else going on they're not aware of. They also tested on a questionable air cooler for some reason.

We already know that stock 11900k out of the box will beat Zen 3 in gaming in these 7 carefully selected games and using this particular set of boost settings, cooling, and withdrawn buggy beta bios for the AMD board, I'm just looking forward to how far it can be pushed when overclocked:

FTFY

I bet you would be the first person to (quite rightfully) shout caution when looking at benchmarks from AMD themselves, claim cherry picking and less than optimum setups etc so why the blind trust when it's from intel?

Regardless who it is - intel, AMD, or Nvidia, never take a manufacturer's own benchmarks at face value.

 

[Journey]

One thing is for certain, we can say that this launch is going to be less a damp squib, and more a total waste of time if you are in then enthusiast space.

Bring on Alder Lake in Q4 '21 - Q2 '22 lets see what they put up against Zen4. That is where it will actually become interesting again.

 

[LePhuronn]

Bring on Alder Lake in Q4 '21 - Q2 '22 lets see what they put up against Zen4.

And that's an important point to bear in mind, as usual ignored by the Intel fanboys. Already we're seeing "Alder Lake is going to crush Zen 3, RIP AMD". Well yeah, it probably will crush AMD's (by then) 18 month old arch, it bloody well should do. But Alder Lake is not going against Zen 3, it's going against Zen 4, and Zen 4's rumours are starting to look rather spicy.

Personally, I'm more interest to see what Sapphire Rapids can do against EPYC, and if Intel has any plans for Golden Cove in the HEDT space to try and gain something, anything, against Threadripper.

 

[humbug]

It will be interesting to see if the 11900 manages to beat the 5800, as clearly the 11700 thus far has been demonstrated not to, barely even managing to overtake it predecessor.
I think when it comes to the competition versus the 5900x if that is where it is aimed price wise, by then it looks like AMD will actually have stock, which might be simply the worst of timing for Intel.
Vastly cheaper and very available AMD motherboards combined with a processor that single thread goes toe to toe with the 11900, and multithread wipes it from the map, will make AMD the high end, productivity, gaming and indeed value checkpoint.
As I said, true competition will likely come from intel's previous generations, coupled with significant price cuts.
Unless you are specific use case, where you NEED storage speed from the main PCI slot, while offloading your GFX card to a secondary slot, whilst ignoring the M2 slots on the motherboard, and Ryan Shrouting the whole time, in that case you 'might' get some storage speed improvement.

Unless you are specific use case, where you NEED storage speed from the main PCI slot, while offloading your GFX card to a secondary slot, whilst ignoring the M2 slots on the motherboard, and Ryan Shrouting the whole time, in that case you 'might' get some storage speed improvement.

lol

 

[Grim5]

And that's an important point to bear in mind, as usual ignored by the Intel fanboys. Already we're seeing "Alder Lake is going to crush Zen 3, RIP AMD". Well yeah, it probably will crush AMD's (by then) 18 month old arch, it bloody well should do. But Alder Lake is not going against Zen 3, it's going against Zen 4, and Zen 4's rumours are starting to look rather spicy.

Personally, I'm more interest to see what Sapphire Rapids can do against EPYC, and if Intel has any plans for Golden Cove in the HEDT space to try and gain something, anything, against Threadripper.

Zen 4 looks very tasty indeed. Rumours I've seen so far: Every desktop Zen 4 model reaches at least 5ghz, +29% IPC over Zen 3, gets AVX-512 instructions, higher core counts and there is still the rumour (though its mentioned less these days) of SMT4.
It's not sure if the desktop parts will get higher core counts, however HEDT will go up to 96 cores so there is room to scale up the entire lineup should they wish (e.g 6600x gets 8 cores, 6700x/6800x 12 cores, 6900x 16 cores and 6950x 24 cores, 6970x 64 cores, 6990x 96 cores)

 

[Joxeon]

Zen 4 looks very tasty indeed. Rumours I've seen so far: Every desktop Zen 4 model reaches at least 5ghz, +29% IPC over Zen 3, gets AVX-512 instructions, higher core counts and there is still the rumour (though its mentioned less these days) of SMT4.
It's not sure if the desktop parts will get higher core counts, however HEDT will go up to 96 cores so there is room to scale up the entire lineup should they wish (e.g 6600x gets 8 cores, 6700x/6800x 12 cores, 6900x 16 cores and 6950x 24 cores, 6970x 64 cores, 6990x 96 cores)

Will be interesting to see if prices increase again, I mean if there is no 6 core will the cheapest CPU start at £450?

 

[Journey]

Will be interesting to see if prices increase again, I mean if there is no 6 core will the cheapest CPU start at £450?

I don't they they were saying there would be no 6-core parts, just that they might add 2-more cores to the x600x part etc.

Although it is doubtful as the Zen4 chiplets thus far appear to be still 8c parts just on a smaller node, and with potentially a larger I/O die (relatively speaking as possible smaller node) with L4 cache.

5800x are well below £400 now as well.

 

[KompuKare]

Will be interesting to see if prices increase again, I mean if there is no 6 core will the cheapest CPU start at £450?

Well, if as is likely Zen 4 is DDR5 only then increasing the CPU prices on top of the expected high price of DDR5 might see a big collapse of sales.
Against that, Zen 4 should be 5nm which might also be supply limited so maybe they'll do a Zen 3+ refresh including APUs for anything below 8 cores.

 

[LePhuronn]

There's talk of a Zen 3 refresh on 5nm and still using AM4 to get some additional maturity into the node, so when it's time for Zen 4 yields should be crazy good and thus help bolster supply. It would also land nearish Alder Lake to keep the competition going and close down any big gaps Intel manage to pull out.

Grains of salt required.

 

[Curlyriff]

The thing to consider for 5nm over 7nm is that consoles are not going to move over to a 5nm node so that will free up a good percentage of production alone that is currently hammering 7nm. Hopefully we will be further out from our current situation as well and thus there will be better supply generally as people return to other activities such as eating out more again and thus disposable income for gaming elements not as much an issue etc.

 

[KompuKare]

Speaking of leaks, there have been some Alder Lake ones too.

https://twitter.com/9550pro/status/1368224604074827780/photo/1
So it looks like Intel expect to compete with Cezanne 8C/16T with a 2C BIG cores plus 8c little cores, at least at 15W. Brave or foolish?

 

[smilingcrow]

Speaking of leaks, there have been some Alder Lake ones too.
So it looks like Intel expect to compete with Cezanne 8C/16T with a 2C BIG cores plus 8c little cores, at least at 15W. Brave or foolish?

Unless that is 8 Big and 2 small?
Seems odd that the M5 would be a single big core as they had dual core with HT at 5W in 2015.
Also, why have a 45-55W 4C chip!
It seems to make more sense that the numbers are little/big, not that it makes much sense generally.

 

[humbug]

There's talk of a Zen 3 refresh on 5nm and still using AM4 to get some additional maturity into the node, so when it's time for Zen 4 yields should be crazy good and thus help bolster supply. It would also land nearish Alder Lake to keep the competition going and close down any big gaps Intel manage to pull out.

Grains of salt required.

That would make a lot of sense, get 5nm warmed up for Zen 4 and get some capacity unleashed.

 

[KompuKare]

Unless that is 8 Big and 2 small?
Seems odd that the M5 would be a single big core as they had dual core with HT at 5W in 2015.
Also, why have a 45-55W 4C chip!
It seems to make more sense that the numbers are little/big, not that it makes much sense generally.

Could be a fake.
Note the use of upper and lower case C's.
But the 45W parts are the only ones to have 8 upper case Cores.
No 96EU with the top end part is also strange, guess no NUCs planned?

 

[smilingcrow]

Could be a fake.
Note the use of upper and lower case C's.

Oops, I missed that.
The whole idea of Big/Small seems silly to me for desktop chips.
They could use the acronym BS as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Dave2150]

That would make a lot of sense, get 5nm warmed up for Zen 4 and get some capacity unleashed.

Intel are also purchasing TSMC next gen wafers, so likely less capacity for AMD compared to on 7nm.

 

[Minstadave]

Intel are also purchasing TSMC next gen wafers, so likely less capacity for AMD compared to on 7nm.

You mean the manufacturing power house that you tell us is Intel is having to look elsewhere for production help? Surely not! Can't they just update the microcode on their fabs to fix them?

 

[humbug]

Intel are also purchasing TSMC next gen wafers, so likely less capacity for AMD compared to on 7nm.

TSMC are building more fabs to keep up with demand, semiconductor silicon demand is on the up anyway, most fabs are responding to it by build more fabs and expanding capacity.