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Rocket lake leaks

Aretak said:
Intel abandoned that a long time ago when they couldn't keep up with it any more. Skylake in 2015 was the last "tock" and they've been ticking incessantly since then. Everything they've released on desktop since 2015 has been a Skylake refresh, just with higher clocks and more cores.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ent-model-extending-the-life-of-each-process/

Rocket Lake actually is the first "tock" since Skylake on desktop, so would be expected to be a relatively large jump. Doesn't really look like one though, which is probably due to it being a hasty backporting of a new architecture onto an old process because their foundries are still a disaster.
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The problem is in the integrated graphics.
Comet Lake's 10-core die is barely, miserable ~198.4 mm2.

Half of it is integrated graphics - so let's say ~100 mm2 is 10 cores.

Hell, if Intel wanted to be competitive, they could have removed the worthless integrated graphics, glue other 10 cores and call it a day with a 20-core / 40-thread CPUs going against AMD's 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X and Ryzen 9 5950X.

kitfit1 said:
I suspect Lisa Su will have been having a good chuckle to herself after looking at that pricelist.
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Yes, it is an excellent news for AMD who will have both time for Zen 4, not to rush it, and time to work with more concentration on all Zen projects without much pressure, if any.
 
Intel's marketing dept obviously decided if we can distract people long enough while there isn't a huge amount of AMD stock around they might wait and buy our new CPU, then released some at best, dodgy benchmark number, and at worst just lies.

It's going to make them look like right plonkers if the 10700K is faster then the 11900K.
 
Roadrunner_668 said:
is it not just the intel tick tock thing where one is a big release and then one is a slightly improved one etc etc ?
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Yeah, Since Sky Lake its been Tock, Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick.

AMD since Ryzen has been Gong, Tick, Tock, Tock. I think AMD have all of Intel's Tock's.
 
Let me get this right because i am confused over intels numbering scheme and actually how it relates to reality.
Intel want to charge pretty much the same as or more for the 11900kf ******* than the actual 5900x - a cpu which takes the 119something or other outside, pulls its pants down and send a 12bore up its cheeks?
Again let me check, the 11900k or - k4 or whatever, a cpu thats not much if at all faster than its predecessors is supposed to be intels top end piece for 2021...

Pls intel send me some of the really really top quality green your obviously cultivating on those top floor of intel towers...
 
If it's crap and expensive, no one will buy it. It's a bit sad how all these threads here seem to degenerate into a 'yeah intel sucks we hate them' sort of playground console war.

For what it's worth, if those leaked prices are accurate then they are crazy and I definitely won't be buying one. It's that simple really.
Maybe Dave is a wind up merchant but a lot of people here seem to lap it up, so I'm not sure what's worse! lol.

Is it actually safe to start any Intel threads on this forum? Fromt what I've seen in the last couple of months I'm not so sure.
 
A thread about an Intel cpu that actually shows signs of legitimately matching or bettering AMD sure.

But tbh for me Dave comes across as an Intel shill.
 
Jimmy Weirdarms said:
Sure, depends on the context though.

"What's the best upgrade for my current intel system?", "Looking for a low-end chip with onboard graphics for media PC, probably intel right?", sure.

"Intel is teh king of gaming, this one 1080p bench proves it!", probably not.
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Fair point, and I get it if someone starts a thread which appears to be completely provocative, but this one didn't start out that way. It wasn't even started by him!?
There's even one started about gaming efficiency and that quickly descended into a bit of of farce. On the face it of, it seemed a bit desperate, but actually there I think there is room for a discussion about actual power usage.

Maybe I'm taking it too seriously! I have no real skin in the game either way and there are plenty of threads on here where people give straight answers to straight questions.
 
Shac said:
A thread about an Intel cpu that actually shows signs of legitimately matching or bettering AMD sure.

But tbh for me Dave comes across as an Intel shill.
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Better or matching in what way? Besides, that kind of comes across like you only care which one is "better", which kind of proves my point.
There should always be room for discussion.
 
8c-250w- no faster than last gen 10core CPU and costing the same as AMD 16core SKU is a bit of a disaster.

maybe intel just won’t bother with the i9s. Maybe they are looking to shift a load of i3s and i5s. That’s where the values are considering 5600x is still selling above MSRP in uk and likely to be even more expensive due to brexit tax.

176 euro for an unlocked 6c i5 looks pretty exciting assuming it can reach high OC. Which should be faster than the 10400f if those IPC gains are to be believed. If AMD don’t bring out a sub 200 zen 3 SKU I reckon for budget builds, loads of i5s would be snapped up with people hoping to pick up cheaper i7 11th gen or i9 10th gen some where down the line. Who knows...
 
Aretak said:
Intel abandoned that a long time ago when they couldn't keep up with it any more. Skylake in 2015 was the last "tock" and they've been ticking incessantly since then. Everything they've released on desktop since 2015 has been a Skylake refresh, just with higher clocks and more cores.

https://arstechnica.com/information...ent-model-extending-the-life-of-each-process/

Rocket Lake actually is the first "tock" since Skylake on desktop, so would be expected to be a relatively large jump. Doesn't really look like one though, which is probably due to it being a hasty backporting of a new architecture onto an old process because their foundries are still a disaster.
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oh wow ok i didnt realise that ! i was half considering ugrading when 1155 was a thing and i know sandy was the main one then ivy was the refinement then haswell and broadwell etc

not looked into it much since then !
 
I ended up going with an I9-10900k. It's not worth waiting for rocket lake as it isn't looking good.
 
rustyk21 said:
Better or matching in what way? Besides, that kind of comes across like you only care which one is "better", which kind of proves my point.
There should always be room for discussion.
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But there IS no discussion to be had, that's the point. There was plenty of discussion with Zen 2 and Coffee Lake because there were pros and cons for each and you could best match your use case, balance budget, etc. But Zen 3 utterly **** all over Comet Lake in every metric that actually means anything, and Rocket Lake is not going to redress that.

It is not fanboiism right here, right now, to say that unless you have a specific use case in which Intel offers superior performance, you must be insane, ill-informed or just a fanboi/troll to even recommend Intel in the DIY space right now.

5600X or 10400F is probably the only thing you actually can discuss.
 
Roadrunner_668 said:
oh wow ok i didnt realise that ! i was half considering ugrading when 1155 was a thing and i know sandy was the main one then ivy was the refinement then haswell and broadwell etc

not looked into it much since then !
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the key is in their names

you had the (sandy & ivy) bridges, then the (has & broad) wells, then the (sky, kaby, coffee, cannon, ice, comet, rocket) lakes and it's been lakes ever since for like 6-7 years of lakes upon lakes and every year they just rehashed the same thing over and over and over and over...
 
pc-guy said:
the key is in their names

you had the (sandy & ivy) bridges, then the (has & broad) wells, then the (sky, kaby, coffee, cannon, ice, comet, rocket) lakes and it's been lakes ever since for like 6-7 years of lakes upon lakes and every year they just rehashed the same thing over and over and over and over...
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Ice Lake and Rocket Lake are new. Alder Lake will be something new again. And if you want to muddy the waters even more, it's the Coves you should now be looking at because it's the Coves that actually denote the architecture of the cores, the Lakes (as of Ice Lake) are implementations of the Coves. For example:
  • Sunny Cove cores in Ice Lake
  • Willow Cove in Tiger Lake
  • Cypress Cove is the 14nm backport of Sunny Cove used in Rocket Lake
  • Golden Cove in Alder Lake

And to think people whinge that Zen being out of step with Ryzen is confusing...
 
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