Ross Brawn back to Ferrari?

[El_Watcher]

Other than being against the rules, sure.

I wonder if Ferrari or Mclaren could say they are building a road car which looks exactly like the current race car, and say they are testing for that instead?

It is not like Ferrari have never built a "road car" which never actually sees the road (e.g. FXX), so maybe this is a loophole they could use.

 

[arknor]

It is not like Ferrari have never built a "road car" which never actually sees the road (e.g. FXX), so maybe this is a loophole they could use.

what a beast.

Turning radius is massive though even on that america street it struggles!

He makes the london arabs look poor lol

Apparently its 20k in america to get a license to drive an FXX on teh roads

 

[Kenai]

I thought all the FXXs were physically kept by Ferrari and could only be driven by going to Ferrari?

 

[XeNoN89]

I thought all the FXXs were physically kept by Ferrari and could only be driven by going to Ferrari?

Yep, you basically buy it but don't actually get to have it, you have to go to ferrari and they will let you drive it on their track

 

[cuke2u]

Hi, I doubt very much that Brawn had anything to do with the DD as the car had to be designed around it for it to work effectively and with the car's design being put on paper months before he arrived. As we all know in testing the car was over around 2 seconds quicker that any other. I Believe that Brawn was only publicising the loophole.

 

[FrankJH]

Hi, I doubt very much that Brawn had anything to do with the DD as the car had to be designed around it for it to work effectively and with the car's design being put on paper months before he arrived. As we all know in testing the car was over around 2 seconds quicker that any other. I Believe that Brawn was only publicising the loophole.

You are a year out Im afraid.

Brawn joined Honda in Nov 2007. The DD surfaced for the 2009 season.

He had plenty of time to be there and design what became the Brawn car for the 2009 opener.

 

[arknor]

I thought all the FXXs were physically kept by Ferrari and could only be driven by going to Ferrari?

not any more your allowed to keep them

 

[Skeeter]

You are a year out Im afraid.

Brawn joined Honda in Nov 2007. The DD surfaced for the 2009 season.

He had plenty of time to be there and design what became the Brawn car for the 2009 opener.

Brawn highlighted the loop hole in the 2009 regulations. They didnt close it, so he and his team exploited it.

 

[FrankJH]

Brawn highlighted the loop hole in the 2009 regulations. They didnt close it, so he and his team exploited it.

You said exactly what I did in a different way.....arent you?

 

[Skeeter]

Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. Brawn was key to the DD as he highlighted the loophole.

 

[cuke2u]

Hi, apologies guys, story of my life, lost a year...
Chris

 

[Deleted member 651465]

The only colour for the FXX is black. That red and white scheme makes it look cheap and nasty.

 

[sunama]

Maybe it really is down to the driving. Rosberg and Schumacher both had good races this year, but neither was consistently on top form - understandably in Schumacher's case given that he was coming up on his final retirement, less so for Rosberg.

When Hamilton goes head to head, vs Rosberg, we will find out just how good Rosberg really is. It may also give us an indication that the drivers were letting the side down (currently, we don't know this).

I saw some stats and I thought I'd paste them here.
In a nut shell, MSc took one heck of a beating over the 3 years he drove with Rosberg. I'm not sure if any driver currently in F1 has taken such a hard beating by their team-mate and been able to keep their seat.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/schumacher-and-rosberg’s-head-to-head-record-at-mercedes/

Rosberg v Schumacher stats compared

Qualifying
Faster qualifying time: Rosberg 41 / Schumacher 17
Poles: Rosberg 1 / Schumacher 
0
Front rows: Rosberg 2 / Schumacher 1

Races
Wins: Rosberg 1 / Schumacher 0
Podiums: Rosberg 5 / Schumacher 1
Points finishes: Rosberg 39 / Schumacher 31
DNFs: Rosberg 7 / Schumacher 15
Best race result (inc DNFs): Rosberg 35 / Schumacher 22
Ahead in two-car finish: Rosberg 22 / Schumacher 15

Championship
Overall points: Rosberg 324 / Schumacher 197
Seasons finished higher in standings: Rosberg 3 / Schumacher 0
Highest championship placing: Rosberg 7th (2010, 2011) / Schumacher 8th (2011)

 

[Mr Men]

In a nut shell, MSc took one heck of a beating over the 3 years he drove with Rosberg. I'm not sure if any driver currently in F1 has taken such a hard beating by their team-mate and been able to keep their seat.

Massa

 

[Skeeter]

Massa took a pounding from Alonso for a couple of years and kept his seat, although thats a bit of a skewed comparison as Ferrari were not looking to replace Massa with a Hamilton level driver, they already have one.

 

[Guerrilla]

Yeah Massa being a nailed on number 2 does give him some leeway with reagrds to not keeping up with his team mate.

 

[El_Watcher]

You could say Webber has been thrashed by Vettel (3-0 on championships ) and it is only Webber that considers himself a "number 2" driver.

 

[sunama]

MSc arrived at Mercedes talking about titles and race wins.
He certainly wasn't a No.2 driver. If anything Rosberg was "supposed" to be the No.2. But after MSc was driving so badly, that idea would've been scrapped fairly quickly.

I remember a couple of years ago, I got a lot of flack for stating that MSc was past it and should quit immediately. The general mantra on this forum was that MSc should be allowed more time. I disagreed. My belief is that if a driver is fast, he should be fast almost immediately. In time, he will be more consistent, but his speed should be apparent immediately. We saw this with Senna, Vettel and most graphically, Hamilton (going up against the reigning WDC in 2007).

With respect to Massa: don't forget that Massa was asked to move over a few times. During the last 3 years Massa would've got a race win. MSc didn't get any race wins and was not asked to move over.

With regards to Webber - he finished behind Vettel. Vettel who just happens to be one of the best drivers currently in F1. Finishing behind Alonso or Vettel isn't too embarrassing. Finishing behind Rosberg (who is not of the same calibre as Alonso or Vettel), is a little embarrassing for a driver of MSc's reputation. In 2013, we are going to find out exactly how good Rosberg truly is. Also don't forget that Webber, almost won the title in 2010. With a bit more backing from his team, he probably would've.

 

[JeditOjanen]

I remember a couple of years ago, I got a lot of flack for stating that MSc was past it and should quit immediately. The general mantra on this forum was that MSc should be allowed more time. I disagreed. My belief is that if a driver is fast, he should be fast almost immediately. In time, he will be more consistent, but his speed should be apparent immediately.

And you were then proven wrong, as Schumacher was closer to Rosberg with each succeeding year and got both a podium and a fastest qualifying lap in his final season. Had it not been for his penalty at Monaco, he would also have had a pole position and probably a race victory too.

 

[FrankJH]

And you were then proven wrong, as Schumacher was closer to Rosberg with each succeeding year and got both a podium and a fastest qualifying lap in his final season. Had it not been for his penalty at Monaco, he would also have had a pole position and probably a race victory too.

a one off lap in qualifying has absolutely no baring on what happens in the race (ie just because a car is good in quali doesnt mean it will automatically be good in the race too, and vice versa).

Even IF MS had managed to pull off a pole, it is imo highly unlikely given the three other teams / 6 other cars + that were usually infront of him in races that he would have won Monaco

Rosberg thrashed him completely (nearly double the amount of points in 2010 and 2012 and about 80%~ in 2011), and will now be remembered as a partial failure, instead of a complete success, and Rosberg is in the record books as the only Mercedes driver to score a win in the three years they drove together.

So no MS wasnt closer over each subsequent season.