Ross Brawn back to Ferrari?

Schumacher showed for me coming back is hard, but did enough to also show rosberg wasn't *it*. That's why hamilton is there now.

I expect the new 'friendly' schumacher will do his future career a world of good on the international stage and he's content with what he did.

I think this obsession with Senna for dieing at his peak is wrong, drivers get old and get worse, thank god F1 is safe enough for this to happen now. I hope we'll see alonso Vettel and Hamilton lose their edge and retire being beaten by younger challengers.
 
FrankJH said:
a one off lap in qualifying has absolutely no baring on what happens in the race (ie just because a car is good in quali doesnt mean it will automatically be good in the race too, and vice versa).
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It's monaco, give the guy something for gods sake, it's a very tricky circuit to get a fast lap time in and one of the most likely for the pole sitter to get the win.
 
FrankJH said:
Rosberg thrashed him completely (nearly double the amount of points in 2010 and 2012 and about 80%~ in 2011), and will now be remembered as a partial failure, instead of a complete success, and Rosberg is in the record books as the only Mercedes driver to score a win in the three years they drove together.

So no MS wasnt closer over each subsequent season.
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I'm assuming you are ignoring the points lost by MSC's DNFs this year?
 
Telescopi said:
It's monaco, give the guy something for gods sake, it's a very tricky circuit to get a fast lap time in and one of the most likely for the pole sitter to get the win.
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+1 This reaffirmed that it was indeed the Mercedes car that let the side down and not the driver(s).

Which brings me on to Ross Brawn. Without a doubt an equal to Adrian Newey and (if you must) start bringing stats into the equation his cars have won more titles then Newey. So in my opinion Merc have got it all wrong. Brawn needs to be working as technical director at Merc, making technical decisions not as team principle allocating money to different depts etc. We must admit that the BAR/Honda/Merc team of late (which I consider to be Merc) have been building absolute dog of cars, that appears not to have changed with the change of name.

Brawn at Ferrari as the technical director I'm all for it! As long as he doesn't go there as team principle, its all good.

Alas it seems Merc had already got this covered. I'm sure Brawn's contract does not allow him to leave for (who knows) how many years.
 
helps when your given the better strategies and have half the dnf's of your teamamate but as usual on this forum only rthe actual race outcome is worth anything.

ill laugh my ass off when hamilton gets crap stratergies , stupid messups in qualifying and an unreliable car

schumacher had 5 retirements when the car was capable of the top 6.

rosberg had 3 retirements when the car was capable of finishing outside the points or 10th at best.

0 0 25 10 6 18 8 8 0 1 1 0 6 10 0 0 0 0 0 0

0 1 0 1 0 0 0 15 6 6 0 6 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 6

almost all of rosbergs points are from the first few races whe he had the luxury of a quickish car that could actually finish a race.

hardly worth comparing them with the equipment they were given

I'm assuming you are ignoring the points lost by MSC's DNFs this year?
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and ignoring where schumacher qualified in the wet sessions when the water leveled the playing field a bit..

and the last race where schumacher had a puncture and still thrashed rosberg
 
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Telescopi said:
It's monaco, give the guy something for gods sake, it's a very tricky circuit to get a fast lap time in and one of the most likely for the pole sitter to get the win.
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It may be the most likely - but even so, its still quite possible to be overtaken during the pitstops, or be forced into an error etc

tummelv said:
I'm assuming you are ignoring the points lost by MSC's DNFs this year?
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Sorry didnt realise these counted for the championship tally.

Even so I think Rosberg has had some dnf's too, do these count as well?

Type_R said:
Which brings me on to Ross Brawn. Without a doubt an equal to Adrian Newey and (if you must) start bringing stats into the equation his cars have won more titles then Newey. So in my opinion Merc have got it all wrong. Brawn needs to be working as technical director at Merc, making technical decisions not as team principle allocating money to different depts etc. We must admit that the BAR/Honda/Merc team of late (which I consider to be Merc) have been building absolute dog of cars, that appears not to have changed with the change of name.
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I would be surprised if Merc hired Brawn just as the boss, with no technical side to his duties. He could be doing the same kind of role he did for the Brawn team (albeit for a lot longer period of time); ie Head of the design team as well as organizing other parts of the team at the same time. (I seem to recall Fry also being 1/2 the boss at Brawn also, so considering the team has grown maybe this isnt possible without someone else assisting)
 
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FrankJH said:
Even so I think Rosberg has had some dnf's too, do these count as well?
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3 DNF's when the car could barely scrape a top 10 finish.
hardly compares to 5 when the car could score big points and then a further 3 when the car was still reasonable.

from canada schumacher scored 47points and rosberg only 34.
thats 14 out of 20 races up until that point schumacher only had 2 points mostly from no fault of his own

the majority of rosbergs points came from china and monaco where schumachers team/car let him down.
but as this is ocuk we have to declare rosberg victor by default
 
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then you guys clearly paid no attention to merc all year and you are in for a shot.

was it 4x they sent out a driver to late to set a lap in qualli ? 2x schumacher and 2x rosberg ?

one time one of them even asked if they had enough time and wether they should push, they were told not to worry....
 
arknor said:
3 DNF's when the car could barely scrape a top 10 finish.
hardly compares to 5 when the car could score big points and then a further 3 when the car was still reasonable.

from canada schumacher scored 47points and rosberg only 34.
thats 14 out of 20 races up until that point schumacher only had 2 points mostly from no fault of his own

the majority of rosbergs points came from china and monaco where schumachers team/car let him down.
but as this is ocuk we have to declare rosberg victor by default
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Only a blind person would consider Schumacher's comeback a success

You are just listing excuses - no reason at all to suggest that even if the DNF's hadnt happened Schumi wouldnt have crashed into somebody else in at least some of those
 
Mercedes failed nico/schumacher more than anything , his come back was never going to be a success with the tools he was given.

Dont tell me alonso/vettel/hamilton would have won multiple races with that team either.

Schumacher at least matched rosberg in the final year on performance but the team failed to deliver a reliable car and more importantly a car capable of winning races..


How good is rosberg ? I guess we will find out next year but unless your terribly biased you will admit schumacher is not the same driver as he was in his first career, he was already past his peak in 2006
 
Ceryndrion said:
Bare in mind that it was Ross that was the brains behind all seven of shuey's titles.. He's just as much a technical expert, as he is a team principle.
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No Rory Bryne was the guy mostly responsible for Schumacher winning all those titles, he was the chief designer from 96 through to 2006.
 
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