Roy Hodgeson

[drunkenmaster]

2 wins in 29 away league games

lolwut thats dire

Yeah, Hodgson's record is dire....... wait, 29 away games, it almost sounds like Liverpools away form went out the window under Benitez. Surely not, everything wrong at Liverpool is Hodgson's fault right?

Benitez ruined the club, he got rid of the best performers over the year bar the 2 people the fans would probably lynch him for getting rid of. The team is a shambles, Benitez turned Pool into a horrifically poor away side, and the only difference between that team and Hodgson, is they sold several players in the summer and got in bargain basement replacements, except el Portuguese guy, who is good(when liverpool are good, IE< at home) and Cole, whose crap and has been even worse than usual. Seeing as Hodgson wasn't involved in the Cole deal, nothing to say he was involved in most of the others either.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

So what you're saying is Hodgson should be praised for the sterling job he's doing at Liverpool and everything should be blamed on the previous manager? Why am I not surprised.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Sorry to bump an old thread, but Roy just did a really, really odd interview on Merseyside radio this morning en route to training.

Basically, he said:
the club is so weak because they were forced to sell 20-22 players in the summer because of the clubs debt
This must count youth players too, but its hilarious considering he kept blabbing about the playing staff being too bloated.. smokescreen for the owners to sell, clearly.

Torres is a completely different person to the one he inherited in the summer. He [Roy] was asked what that meant exactly .. different player? personality? was there some sort of fallout?.
Reply was - Cannot comment on that.
So why bloody say anything in the first place! Doesn't look good for keeping Torres in Jan/Summer though.

Its difficult to communicate to Maxi because, although he does speak english to other players, he refuses to speak it with me [Roy] and my spanish isnt so hot.
Dont understand why he said this at all, Maxi's playing the best he has for a while and he goes and says something like this? to get the fans on his back or what?

Meireles is not necessarily a better player in the middle of the park, in fact the club sees him playing more attacking roles but he was forced to play there due to injury
... Is Roy the only one who cannot see hes a damn CM? seriously ..

-edit-
LOVE how the official site prints this:

Which is 100% not what he actually said on the radio!

Infact, everything on the official lfc.tv article is completely .. not.. what he said.

Yes, a manager is asked to sell by the owners, and so he doesn't publically come out and say "we'll be crap if we lose all our staff", shocking that. The new owners are in, he's not under orders to "soften the blow" and says they are lacking players. However the first team squad is bloated with a LOT of expensive rubbish, so both can be true and I see no issue.

Torres is a completely different person, you can see he is, he rarely gives a crap unless he thinks he can pad his stats up a bit, yet again today you saw, a little kick as someone went for a header while he made no attempt to win the ball, a tug back as someone got away from him and a few niggling little attempts to foul at corners and be a general git. Basically he wants out, its clear as day, and every time one of your players wants a better deal and can't get one and declares their love for the club, and their new ultra high wage contracts, you fall for this idea the players would never leave.

Reading between the lines he's saying, Torres wants out, is playing like he wants out, and thats one of the reasons the club can't do "that" well.

The Maxi thing, personally I'd assume it means, Maxi knows how to swear and talk about boobs in scouse, but can't comminucate extensive and detailed tactical information in English with the manager so uses his native tongue so he can say exactly what he wants. Slang, he can speak english in a friendly way, professionally talking to his BOSS, he wants to talk properly. We all learn pretty basic stuff in foreign languages first. I can go to spain, ask for a number, ask for a beer, I can't tell the boss my quad pulled as I ran for that last ball, or that I prefer to play as an attacking right midfield player who cuts in and shots or plays the one/two. I don't think theres a lot to read into that.

As for Meireles, he didn't say he wasn't a CM, it actually feels like he meant when Lucas was out he was playing a more holding role, and he's not necessarily better on in the middle(defensively or less far fowards) he thinks he's a better attack(didn't say not in the middle just better offensively than defensively).

Didn't he play more on the wing when he played for Portugal, and for his old club, and its his prefered position? It all depends who you play with, where and when, if he played right wing at all the home game where Liverpool play well, and CM in the away games where they play crap(like today) then he'd surely seem better as a winger?

 

[manic111]

Yeah, Hodgson's record is dire....... wait, 29 away games, it almost sounds like Liverpools away form went out the window under Benitez. Surely not, everything wrong at Liverpool is Hodgson's fault right?

Benitez ruined the club, he got rid of the best performers over the year bar the 2 people the fans would probably lynch him for getting rid of. The team is a shambles, Benitez turned Pool into a horrifically poor away side, and the only difference between that team and Hodgson, is they sold several players in the summer and got in bargain basement replacements, except el Portuguese guy, who is good(when liverpool are good, IE< at home) and Cole, whose crap and has been even worse than usual. Seeing as Hodgson wasn't involved in the Cole deal, nothing to say he was involved in most of the others either.

He was definitely involved in the Konchesky and Poulsen deals, which were the two worst ones.

 

[BaZ87]

It's amazing the amount of *** dm gives Wenger, then defends Hodgson to the hilt

 

[drunkenmaster]

So what you're saying is Hodgson should be praised for the sterling job he's doing at Liverpool and everything should be blamed on the previous manager? Why am I not surprised.

Ok, look at the stat again, 2 wins in 29 away games. Now work out how many away games Hodgson has been in charge of....... in the league, its 9, probably a few others, so about half last season and half this season.

What I'm saying is, Liverpool fans seem to think you played better than this BEFORE, and THAT is whats rubbish. Did you see where I said Hodgson is the best manager ever, no because I didn't say that, did you see where I said I thought he was doing particularly well away, no.

I said, the team is playing the same as most of last year under Benitez as they are playing now. But the simple fact is, the team started playing this badly LAST YEAR, and are you trying to say that is Hodgsons fault? I mean really is that what you're saying?

AS said, they won a single away game in the second half of last year, and 4 in the first half, if they'd played the same way in the first half of the season, thats 9 points worse off they'd have been, and how much further down the table would that have put you?

Liverpool were in massive decline LAST YEAR, their away form went to crap LAST YEAR. The fact that Liverpool fans consistantly blame this on Hodgson is the only thing that irritates me.

Nor the fact that Liverpool have a noticeably weaker first team squad, with Gerrard now missing, Macherano gone and Torres no where near the form he was in last year, even the second half of last year when he was pretty crap.

As I've asked many times, why on earth do Liverpool fans expect Hodgson to have the team, with worse players, playing better than the second half of last season? Its a pretty simple question and I've yet to see it answered.

I see this constant crap about being worse than last year, and you simply aren't.

From what I can see, the last 9 games have been 5 away, 4 at home, and you've won 5 games, drawn one, lost 3 IIRC, which is form that would take you to around 6/7th at the end of the season. Freaking out after every loss is literally exactly as stupid as Arsenal fans thinking we'll win the league because we managed to go top after Chelsea decided to commit suicide(with 3 of their best players missing most of the season) and Utd didn't play.

Two of the 3 losses were away to Stoke and Spurs, MOST teams in the league don't expect to go to either stadiums and win this season, but somehow Hodgson is crap for not doing so?

I don't think Hodgson is fantastic, but they ARE improving, form in the past 9 games vs the first 9 games is completely different. The team is worse than last year, and current form is better than last year, losing away doesn't change that.

If you REALLY don't think Liverpool are improving, the first 8 games contained a SINGLE WIN. The last 9 games contain 5 wins........... really, Liverpool aren't improving?

 

[drunkenmaster]

It's amazing the amount of *** dm gives Wenger, then defends Hodgson to the hilt

Hodgson has a crap team, early form was always going to be bad, first 8 games, 1 win, last 9 games 5 wins, can you really not admit Liverpool are improving, is 5 vs 1 that hard to compare, really?


Wenger had an invicibles team, we now struggle for 4th on a yearly basis and win nothing, can you see the difference. Hodgson, weak squad, JUST STARTED, dramatic improvement. Wenger, WAY WAY WAY into his time at Arsenal, first 6-7 years, trophy x 56, last 6-7 years, smeg all. Can you see the difference, really?

We have a hugely strong squad, we have a massive squad, we have quality in almost every position, but for 6 years we've let our best players go and bought in a lot of very much worse players to replace them.

Not comparable situations to be honest, but comparitively Liverpool are moving forwards, Arsenal are most certainly not. We're on about the same points as last year, the only reason we're top is Chelsea have thrown a big paddy and pee'd away the best part of 15 points in the past month. Utd have also been playing like utter turd and will probably be top in a couple days.

 

[BaZ87]

We won slightly more than 1 in 4 away from home last season. We've won 1 in 9 away from home this season and even that 1, we were fortunate to win. Hodgson's won something like 11 or 12 league games away from home in his entire career in English football. We won 13 league games away from home in just 1 season the season before last.

So, even in a season where we massively underachieved and were without our best player for large spells, we still had a far better record away from home than this season but it's all Benitez's fault and not Roy 'I can't win away from home' Hodgson?

 

[G|mp]

Rub your face really quick and it will all go away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aav46Lek0Rs&feature=player_embedded

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

So, even in a season where we massively underachieved and were without our best player for large spells, we still had a far better record away from home than this season but it's all Benitez's fault and not Roy 'I can't win away from home' Hodgson?

It's hilarious reading his posts. He's completely ignoring the fact Hodgson has an abysmal away record at every club he's managed and has instead tried to blame his record on the Liverpool players. You couldn't make it up

 

[elmuzzy66.]

anyone else think they should play GJ at RW and give kelly a decent run of games as rb? One area were pool have failed is in the wingers department. There is no pace skill just hard working type of players ie they try very hard but are crap. Johnson at rw might give the team a bit more speed and skill up the pitch. Note he is not that good but should do better that kyut.

 

[BaZ87]

Unfortunately for Roy, both Werner and Henry will be doing a live phone-in show on LFC TV on monday night. They should get a good idea of what the fans think of Roy after tonights performance.

 

[Azza]

Chris Hughton next LFC manager?

 

[HangTime]

I sometimes wonder if Hodgson's handling of the media could be his downfall... he's always a 'true gentleman', all lovey-dovey being interviewed on Sky etc, but he's almost like the anti-Mourinho in that he projects a very weak image. You see him talking about things and it is very rarely fighting talk, even when he is backing his players it is never all that convincing. Sometimes you want to see your manager come out and appear confident even if some of what he is saying is a bit outlandish. If a rumour starts, you won't see Hodgson quash it in the way that say Fergie would. Does he project that confidence and image that convince the likes of Torres and Reina that Anfield is the place to be?

You've gotta wonder what NESV think about this, bit of a national stereotype but you'd imagine American owners wanting a bit more of oomph coming out of their manager, why not give some though to pulling the trigger and try and get MON in?

 

[Alpherah]

A lot of people probably think i've been talking a lot of crap in this thread but im going to repeat myself anyway:
There's a real worry going around the club, at least with the younger guys, that Roy goes or one of the 'star' players, potentially more, are gone come the end of Jan/Summer.
They might be wrong, but if everything's so 'hunkey-doorey' behind the scenes, why would they even worry about it?

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Hodgson: "For a team that wants to be in the top half it's not good enough"

Top half? We want to be in Europe you ****ing clown. Do one!

 

[drunkenmaster]

We won slightly more than 1 in 4 away from home last season. We've won 1 in 9 away from home this season and even that 1, we were fortunate to win. Hodgson's won something like 11 or 12 league games away from home in his entire career in English football. We won 13 league games away from home in just 1 season the season before last.

So, even in a season where we massively underachieved and were without our best player for large spells, we still had a far better record away from home than this season but it's all Benitez's fault and not Roy 'I can't win away from home' Hodgson?

Ok, try and follow this, you won 4 away games from August to December with Benitez, from January through to May, you won ONE away game, the poor away form started well well before Hodgson, sorry 1 away game in basically the entire second half of the season, and that was Benitez.

Then i'll mention the year before, under Benitez, when you came second you won THIRTEEN away games, yes 13, you got one point less than Chelsea away that season, and more than Utd, you won more games away than at home the season you finished 2nd.

Are you really, really trying to say your away form was "good" last year, 1 in 4 is terrible, infact, awful for a top side. Chelsea won 14, you 13, Utd, 12, Arsenal 9.

You then moved (last season) to 4 wins in the first 19, and 1 win in the last 19 last season.

You're honestly trying to say your poor away form started this season only, and it didn't begin last season and get worse throughout the year, because statistics simply don't come close to argreeing with you.

Then lets go back further, the last awful away season you won 6 games, you came 3rd with 68 points, last season you won 5 away games, you came 7th, with 63 points.

Your away form is directly responsible for your two years finishing sub 70 points, it did not start under Hodgson, AT ALL, and again according to every Liverpool fan last year, Lucas is rubbish and Mascherano is the worlds best defensive midfielder who was ever born. So you expect him to better Liverpools previous 6 months form away, with your best defensive player having left.

Again I think i'll fall back on the argument that Liverpool fans are completely delusional and really don't get just how bad Liverpool were last year.

 

[drunkenmaster]

It's hilarious reading his posts. He's completely ignoring the fact Hodgson has an abysmal away record at every club he's managed and has instead tried to blame his record on the Liverpool players. You couldn't make it up

I'm completely ignoring this fact, except I brought up the fact that his away record at Fulham was abysmal, would you care to explain how thats ignoring it?

Also I don't know his away record with Inter, or anyone else, do you?

Almost everyone in the league has a worse away form than home form, Fulham are lets be honest, a heavily over achieving team under Hodgson, they don't have the strongest, best or most athletic players, the teams success was built on home form, thats where most teams build their success first. He didn't have the money and potentially the time to improve their away form and maybe the players were simply not capable of it.

THe main gist of it is, if you expected Hodgson to improve the away form first, you're nuts, almost any manager would focus on home games and getting wins, and if needs be, resting players and going for draws away from home. Again, Liverpool are moving up the table slowly but surely(theres not like 4million places to move up the table, so thats actually ok its slow), and the teams form has turned around completely, split his league games in half, first half, 1 win, second half 5 wins. Again liverpool fans seem completely unwilling to acknowledge this.

I haven't once said he's a stunning manager, or that he'll make Liverpool get into Europe, or that he's doing a fantastic job, all I've said is, he's got Liverpool in the past 9 games, playing better than they were when he took over, thats moving in , you know, the correct direction.

The simple question again, being can you not see they've improved, can you not see how truly awful your form was from xmas to end of season and why if they were playing like retarded monkeys at the end of last season, with Torres playing like a donkey, your best defensive player gone and Gerrard playing mostly like crap would you expect a massive turn around in the performances instantly.

 

[manic111]

anyone else think they should play GJ at RW and give kelly a decent run of games as rb? One area were pool have failed is in the wingers department. There is no pace skill just hard working type of players ie they try very hard but are crap. Johnson at rw might give the team a bit more speed and skill up the pitch. Note he is not that good but should do better that kyut.

I'm not sure about Johnson's delivery - he cuts in far more often than skinning the full back and crossing - but it's worth a try. It would also get Kuyt up top alongside Torres, and his work rate might just spark Torres into life.

Don't know what we would do when Gerrard gets back though, Meireles and Lucas are two of our best players this season...

 

[elmuzzy66.]

I'm not sure about Johnson's delivery - he cuts in far more often than skinning the full back and crossing - but it's worth a try. It would also get Kuyt up top alongside Torres, and his work rate might just spark Torres into life.

Don't know what we would do when Gerrard gets back though, Meireles and Lucas are two of our best players this season...

See i would bench kyut. Ive had enough of buying players and then playing them out off positon because they suck less than on their "prefered" position. Egg nog has scored in most games that he has started and feel he should get a run upfront with torres. Would also try a 4-3-3 with lucas, meireless and gerrard in midfield and torres egg nog and babel up front.