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BaZ87 said:
Villa played with great width and played at a high tempo, nothing like we used to play under Houllier and when you think about it, it's clear as to why. Back in Houllier's days we were a counter-attacking team. We had the likes of Heskey who could win long balls, and Owen thrived off all the flick ons and knock downs. We were playing to our strengths. At Villa, with the likes of Young, Downing, Agbonlahor and Albrighton, the players are suited to a higher tempo, open game so that's how Houllier's setting the team up

I don't want to come across as rude to Hodgson but considering the damage he's doing to the club, it's difficult. He's just an old man that has his style of playing/managing and he's trying to force it onto a club and group of players that it clearly doesn't suit, and he won't change.
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What, Villa are a pacey side built completely for counter attacking, they've been a counter attacking side for the past few years at least.

Houllier has come in and made incredibly few changes to the team, personel and style of play. Which is what usually happens when a new manager comes in and can't replace half the squad like Mourinho tends to be able to.

Hodgson had little to no money, you have no idea if the buys were his or not, if they were, so far most haven't been good, but with fairly high price tags on anyone decent, little time, and not much choice I don't think there was much more to be done.

Torres looks EXACTLY as unhappy at Liverpool today, as he did for most of last season, so blaming him now wanting to leave all of a sudden on Hodgson is laughable. Almost as laughable as you saying you've been somewhat supporting of him till now.

What you again seem to fail to grasp is, Wigan have a very good attack, N'Zogbia has ripped apart almost everyone this year, scored several, had about 3 goals dissallowed of which I think 2 would have gotten the team all 3 points(could be mixing up games). They are one of those sides that actually plays football, and on their day can beat anyone. Liverpool haven't been a very strong away side for a well over a year, and Torres wasn't particularly good away from home on the top of his game, let alone now where he barely shows signs of being awake away from home.

You've mostly only been winning since Torres decided to show up at home, would you really, honestly, line up a team based on all out attack to support a guy you thought would be utterly crap up front like most of his away games in the past 9 months?

You WILL lose games, pretending you won't and that every loss is a disaster is laughable. You've had a pretty hard start to the season with away games vs higher up teams, and playing some of the tougher to beat teams like Stoke. You won 3 on the bounce, one against Chelsea, drew with Wigan and lost to Stoke.

Lost of big teams lose to other mid table sides, what gives LIverpool the god given right to expect to win against Stoke if you went with an attacking formation.

Torres off form, away from home, Maxi, Babel, Ngog, really, you think going with an attacking setup would have won you the game.

You realise that if he'd gone gung ho against Wigan and Stoke, and lost both 3-0, most fans would be complaining that he took a very off form striker whose rarely good away from home and expected way to much, he should have played more defensively etc, etc. He can't win, at all, because fans expectations, unbelievably, are that due to 2 top class outfield players Liverpool deserve to compete for the top 4....... even when those two players are completely off form, and have been so for over a year now.

You can do a , hard to narrow down a club to use as a cliche here, replace the manager and somehow expect a complete turnaround with the same players, or accept the players aren't remotely good enough, accept that teams have different starts to the season, away games against top 4 teams, will become home games against top 4 teams in the second half of the season. Accept that an off form striker who at his best doesn't score massively away from home, won't be scoring many away from home this year and you won't win many away from home this year either. Boo hoo.

Honestly, how many other teams in the league, with one real striker, and one backup striker, expect to be a super high scoring, high points getting, high up the league team, none.

Torres has 5, Ngog the one, Kuyt if you want to charitably call him a striker, one goal, no other strikers have scored in the league.

Berbatov, 6, Hernandez 3, Owen, Rooney, Macheda all have 1. Chamakh 5, Walcott 4, Vela and Bendtner 1 a piece.

Liverpool have 3 players who have scored more than 1, and 3 more have scored just one. Arsenal have 6 players alone who have scored over 1, and another 5 players who have got 1 goal.

The rest of the team doesn't contribute, not least because they simply aren't good enough. Theres entirely no strength in depth at Liverpool the majority of the first team isn't good enough to be a top 8 team.
 
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DM, you've completely missed the point I was making in regards to Houllier.

The point I was making was that unlike Hodgson, Houllier didn't join Villa and try and force the tactics he's previously used on them. He accepted that the best way for Villa to play was just as they have been and he's carried on doing that.

There's no point commenting on the rest of your post, you're just rambling.
 
Linoge said:
For the good of the club, the fans and ultimately their investment, he simply needs to go. Who would Liverpool fans be happy with to come in at this stage of the season?
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Absolutely, he does.

But NESV waited until the end of the season before they replaced the Red Sox manager, and they seem to be very much in things for the long-term, if that's one thing they've let out about their tenure at Liverpool, is that they want it to be a long-term rebuild, what with Henry's rumblings about Arsenal's approach quite frequently.

Of course the EPL is a completely different beast to anything they've dealt with before, but I still can't see them changing their general ethos, and I don't think they're going to shake things up with a quick fix reshuffling or make a compromise on what they want for the long-term aim, so I can see them waiting until the end of the season until they can go after the targets they want.

Of course it'd be absolutely prudent to get Hodgson out asap, and replace him with almost anyone, Pellegrini was the best we could have secured at this stage, but he's been snapped up now.

But I'm not sure if NESV will do this, and analysing the situation in terms of how they approach things, I won't be panicking unless Hodgson is here at the start of the 11/12 season.
 
Mr_White said:
But I'm not sure if NESV will do this, and analysing the situation in terms of how they approach things, I won't be panicking unless Hodgson is here at the start of the 11/12 season.
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Why do you think this? In the short time they've been here they've proven that they act quickly and boldly.

I honestly believe that the only reason Hodgson is still here is because they're waiting to be able to replace him with the right man, which sort of answers Linoge's question.

At the moment there doesn't appear to be anybody available so you'd have to go down the caretaker route until the summer, most probably. The most obvious person is Dalglish.

However, somebody made a good point on RAWK regarding Dalglish. If he comes in and does well, there's no doubt that fans would apply great pressure on the owners to give him the job permanently. Dalglish isn't the right man to rebuild the club and therefore the only way he should takeover from Hodgson is if both he and the club agree that it's only a short term appointment.
 
Linoge said:
For the good of the club, the fans and ultimately their investment, he simply needs to go. Who would Liverpool fans be happy with to come in at this stage of the season?
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At this stage of the season I would happily accept the exact same option that I chose in the summer, Kenny in short term to hold the reigns whilst a longer option is investigated.
 
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BaZ87 said:
Why do you think this? In the short time they've been here they've proven that they act quickly and boldly.
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In certain areas, they definitely have.

But for now these are restricted to the board and other backroom staff, something that was expected to change, and the appointment of Damien Comolli, which is the addition of a role, and he hasn't really displaced anyone else.

I feel they're apprehensive to make the big change until they can do things the way they want, rather than shake things up with a short term fix, to me it doesn't seem like their style if you analyse their past dealings, this is all of course conjecture, but Henry keeps his cards very close, so that's all we've really had to work on so far until he makes his moves, the first we've known of his changes so far has been when they've been completed.

In terms of the manager though, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't shake things up before the end of the season, they didn't at Red Sox, and they're very reluctant to make any strong gestures to that end so far, it's all been very neutral statements that could be interpreted as going either way in regards to Hodgson's position.
 
He had better acted sooner than later

RH should be removed as soon as possible because if we are to wait for the end of the season we would be doing a disservice to his replacement.

Football is dynamic and 5 months is enough to destroy a team beyound repair.
If the best players leave and you are struggling relegation how do you expect to attract the best manager in the world later alone the best players!!
 
Liverpool FC. Where the hoofers are rewarded and the footballers pack their bags.

Seriously, as has been said before, there are still some decent players at Liverpool, but RH doesn't want the finer arts. He want to wallop it up the field to that big foreign lad at the top and let him deal with. Slowly but surely, the ball players are waking up to Roys vision and wanting out.

Carra will be safe for years!
 
Mr.Pink said:
Liverpool FC. Where the hoofers are rewarded and the footballers pack their bags.

Seriously, as has been said before, there are still some decent players at Liverpool, but RH doesn't want the finer arts. He want to wallop it up the field to that big foreign lad at the top and let him deal with. Slowly but surely, the ball players are waking up to Roys vision and wanting out.

Carra will be safe for years!
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Soto is a striker? :D


Pigeon_Killer said:
Another story about a player wanting to leave because of Hodgson. This time it's Pacheco, one of the stars of the U19 European Championships and a player that's just been nominated for the Golden Boy award.

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport...rlet-dani-pacheco-wants-to-leave-anfield.html

Has he been alienated because he's a Benitez signing, too young or too attack minded?
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He was late to training once by 20 mins, and then the next day missed a reserve game because he never got out of bed Lol.
He pleads innocence, alarm problems, not feeling too good etc etc. But he got schooled by Roy all the same.
 
I think he has to go asap because i can't stand the way we play now its pitiful . I think his small team mentality is an absoulute joke we are LFC we should fear no one .
 
Alpherah said:
Soto is a striker? :D




He was late to training once by 20 mins, and then the next day missed a reserve game because he never got out of bed Lol.
He pleads innocence, alarm problems, not feeling too good etc etc. But he got schooled by Roy all the same.
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As I heard he has major attitude problems, so Roy tried the "embarasse him a little in the press" method of trying to get him to buck up his idea's.

AS for players wanting to leave, I wish people would read what is said/implied, another story from supposedly Reina, suggesting the BOARD need to spend because the top players want to win things. This has NOTHING to do with Hodgson, the squad is incapable of winning things, it was incapable last year and incapable now, with a weaker squad than last year, please someone explain how thats Roy's fault.

The idea that Torres would stay forever at a club that won't really win titles ever, is laughable, Reina's starting to get to the point where as a keeper he wants to get into a big club before his chance is gone. If Utd, or Arsenal for instance pick up the likes of the Ruski, or Lloris(who looks rubbish at the moment) then where will Reina go, Real, Chelsea, City, Barca, no, with Arsenal/Utd needing new keepers he has a chance now to go, or pretty much all the top clubs have top keepers who are as young, or younger than Reina.

So theres a warning for the board that if they stay a 5-8th quality squad, Torres/Gerrard/Reina will want to look to win cups elsewhere, and a little upstart wants out, oooo, Hodgson, how terrible, its all his fault.


For the record, U19's is truly truly pathetic quality, you play for the U19's when even the utterly crap and underperforming U21's won't pick you. Babel was pretty much player of the tournament in the U21's just before Pool bought him, thats pretty much the only time he's looked good, and he didn't look that good.

half a dozen players are "rated" each year after getting a few goals in U19/U21 cups, international or otherwise, the vast vast majority turn out to be utter rubbish.

Lastly, as I understand it, one player in Agger said something about hoofing it, the reference wasn't particularly clear, getting the ball upfield quickly to counter attack, or clear to an empty opposition half of the pitch, who knows, maybe its a miscommunication, maybe he's just not happy about being picked.

Johnson complained about being asked to play boring football, which I interpret(judging by his latest game where he actually almost looked competant defensively(hard to tell, West Ham were SO rubbish) as being asked to actually defend first and help offensively when possible, and against some better teams he might have to stay back an entire game. Johnson doesn't like defending, its clear as day, in a WORLD CUP, against a truly great team, he got caught upfield being lazy about getting back and cost us at least two goals.

Considering right now this second, Liverpool have the SECOND best form in the league in the past 6 games, second only to Utd, with one of the best home records in the league.

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* Liverpool's haul of 13 points from their last six games has only been bettered by Manchester United (14).

* Only Manchester United and Chelsea have a better home record than Liverpool this season.
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So 3rd best home record in the league, clearly improving dramatically, 2nd best points haul in the last 6 games, only 1 point behind the best team in the league over the last 6 games. Shocking what a travesty Hodgson is creating at Liverpool, a team that gets more points than most, moves up the league, is getting better defensively, horrible.
 
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I'd love to know what and where you heard this stuff about him having a major attitude problem.

He was due to start a reserve team game but ended up being on the bench which has started this rumour that he was late for the game. Beyond that, I've not heard a whisper of any sort of issue regarding Pacheco's attitude since he joined the club.

As usual I've not bothered reading beyond the first sentence because you're imagining things again.
 
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but Roy just did a really, really odd interview on Merseyside radio this morning en route to training.

Basically, he said:
the club is so weak because they were forced to sell 20-22 players in the summer because of the clubs debt
This must count youth players too, but its hilarious considering he kept blabbing about the playing staff being too bloated.. smokescreen for the owners to sell, clearly.

Torres is a completely different person to the one he inherited in the summer. He [Roy] was asked what that meant exactly .. different player? personality? was there some sort of fallout?.
Reply was - Cannot comment on that.
 So why bloody say anything in the first place! Doesn't look good for keeping Torres in Jan/Summer though.

Its difficult to communicate to Maxi because, although he does speak english to other players, he refuses to speak it with me [Roy] and my spanish isnt so hot.
 Dont understand why he said this at all, Maxi's playing the best he has for a while and he goes and says something like this? to get the fans on his back or what?

Meireles is not necessarily a better player in the middle of the park, in fact the club sees him playing more attacking roles but he was forced to play there due to injury
... Is Roy the only one who cannot see hes a damn CM? seriously ..

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LOVE how the official site prints this:
Hodgson said:"Maxi Rodriguez is a very intelligent player. Despite the fact I don't speak Spanish and he doesn't speak that much English, we've always had a good understanding together.
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Which is 100% not what he actually said on the radio!

Infact, everything on the official lfc.tv article is completely .. not.. what he said.
 
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