Roy Hodgeson

[Columbo]

he will be sacked b4 the end of the season

No he won't.

Firstly Liverpool rarely sack managers quickly after appointing them.

Secondly they can't afford to sack him.

Thirdly who wold replace him anyway? I really could not see any of the so called 'top' managers wanting to touch Liverpool in its current situation.

 

[Sone]

Partly but from half way through the season we finished 2nd, Benitez's main aim was to try and hold onto as much of the squad he had let alone add to it. It's the same for Hodgon now.

Until the club is sold we can't move forwards however we shouldn't be moving backwards as quickly as we have this season.

Shame for 'pool fans. 2008/2009 should have been a great year for you. The wins over Man Utd and Real Madrid were excellent. You were then probably only 1 or 2 players short of the winning squad. Looking at the team today in comparison is so

 

[Adrianr]

6 games in, including Man Utd away, Man City away and Arsenal at home and the doom mongers are circling, at least give the guy until january!

January?! You could be in the Championship by then!!

 

[Greenlizard0]

6 games in, including Man Utd away, Man City away and Arsenal at home and the doom mongers are circling, at least give the guy until january!

I know, for crying out loud you have Blackpool at Anfield tommorrow. Three points and a lovely rosey performance for sure.

Says a lot really that Gerrard's been rested for it though. Morale must really be at a low.

 

[Weebull]

No he won't.

Firstly Liverpool rarely sack managers quickly after appointing them.

Secondly they can't afford to sack him.

Thirdly who wold replace him anyway? I really could not see any of the so called 'top' managers wanting to touch Liverpool in its current situation.

If new owners ever manage to get themselves in, I could see them wanting to install their own man, and Roy being given the boot. However, that's a bit of a big "if".

 

[Tombstone]

I know, for crying out loud you have Blackpool at Anfield tommorrow. Three points and a lovely rosey performance for sure.

Says a lot really that Gerrard's been rested for it though. Morale must really be at a low.

0-0 is my prediction.

 

[atpbx]

Hodgson isnt going to last, he also isnt going to have the same amount of time Ferguson was given, why?

Because he is 63, and doesnt have 5 years of rebuilding time in him, plus the fact I dont think Liverpool fans will tolerate the side being rebuilt in the image of fulham anyway.

Another transfer window of one dimensional workhorses being signed up and he will be out.

 

[manic111]

Mind taking that a bit further? Aside from the Northampton game, which games taken as one-off results, have been genuinely bad? Not performances, results.

Arsenal at home, drawn - not a bad result, I'd argue they're the second strongest side in the league this year.

Man City away, lost - not an awful or unexpected result. The manner of defeat was shocking, but the loss itself not so much. Chelsea just lost to them as well.

West Brom home, won - a game we'd have expected to win, and did. We played badly, but won.

Birmingham away, drawn - a draw away to a team who has now not lost at home for a year. Seems OK to me.

Man Utd away, lost - again, not a terrible or unexpected result.

Sunderland home, drawn - probably the worst result of the lot, but ultimately it's a draw against a reasonable side. It's by no means a good result, but certainly not a reason to wave the white flag.

Aside from the Sunderland result, which I would argue is not awful, which results of the above would you expect to change? Yes, the league cup defeat was a shocker, but it's not as if Benitez had a wonderful time in the cups either for the most part- I seem to remember getting beaten by Palace, and nearly losing to Havant and Waterlooville.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

I don't think many people are complaining about the results. Even the people that would've kept Rafa realise that our results, bar Sunderland, match the results Rafa had against those same teams last season. It's the performances and little league attitude of Hodgson that are worrying people.

 

[syke]

I don't think many people are complaining about the results. Even the people that would've kept Rafa realise that our results, bar Sunderland, match the results Rafa had against those same teams last season. It's the performances and little league attitude of Hodgson that are worrying people.

I agree, although Hodgson has always been like that - even when we were in the Final. It must work a little for morale though, otherwise you'd have the players moaning, which none of his former clubs really have. His first season, finishing top 7 will be good for Liverpool I think? If he lasts till next season.

Then again, the poor performances as said have been on the back of a hard few games, so it might turn around with a string of less pressurised games in Blackpool, Blackburn and Bolton, then they get Chelsea but after that it's back to being more OK.

Edit: is it possible for a mod to edit the title? It's small, but it's annoying seeing and 'e' in his name, it doesn't look right!

 

[manic111]

I don't think many people are complaining about the results. Even the people that would've kept Rafa realise that our results, bar Sunderland, match the results Rafa had against those same teams last season. It's the performances and little league attitude of Hodgson that are worrying people.

I can see that, but personally think that there's something to be said for not criticising players too heavily to the media. He showed when we lost to Northampton that certain things are unacceptable, and I'd be willing to bet that in private he puts forward more critical views much more often. There's not any point in going to the press with them though.

Yes, the performances are a worry, but I think that to be too critical of him for that after just a few months is a little harsh. Most of the players are on a real downer after last season, Torres is out of nick, and things are generally not going too well. Coupled with the changes in system which he is bringing, performances were never going to be great at this stage. If things are still like this into next year (annual), criticism will be more justified, but at this moment in time he deserves people behind him.

EDIT: You can't exactly say that Benitez was the king of man-management either

 

[syke]

Another thing as well, Hodgson is not normally TOO animated on the sidelines, normally the assistant he gets to do that. Although he been a little at Liverpool which is understandable . He'll try encourage as much as he can from the sidelines, but is known for proper hairdryers at HT etc.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

EDIT: You can't exactly say that Benitez was the king of man-management either

Certainly not but during his 6 years at Liverpool he only had Pennant, Riera, Babel and Yossi complain about his management.

In just over two months with Roy, we've already had Agger and Jovanovic complaining and I'd put money on Torres being unhappy with either him or his style as well.

 

[syke]

Certainly not but during his 6 years at Liverpool he only had Pennant, Riera, Babel and Yossi complain about his management.

In just over two months with Roy, we've already had Agger and Jovanovic complaining and I'd put money on Torres being unhappy with either him or his style as well.

Yeah, although I'm not sure why Jovanovic is moaning this early. Agger hasn't performed well enough at centre back to get a chance, Roy has given him some time - so I'm not sure he should be moaning either.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

You say that about Agger but Carragher and Skrtel have been abysmal. They're far too similar to play together, they're both weak in the air and neither are good with a ball at they're feet. Agger would compliment both far better but he's being utilised as a reserve to Konchesky. Honestly think he'll be gone in January and a lot of people will not be happy with Hodgson.

 

[manic111]

Certainly not but during his 6 years at Liverpool he only had Pennant, Riera, Babel and Yossi complain about his management.

In just over two months with Roy, we've already had Agger and Jovanovic complaining and I'd put money on Torres being unhappy with either him or his style as well.

Rafa came into a club which had had a poor previous season but a solid and well-established squad, and was able to start winning (and spending money) quickly. Hodgson has come into a club in an utter trough, with a weak squad, no money, and turmoil at the top. Of course more people are going to be upset.

EDIT: For the record, I agree about Agger. In my opinion he's the best CB at the club.

 

[Tombstone]

Yeah, although I'm not sure why Jovanovic is moaning this early.

Well Jovanovic is moaning because of a few factors, he isnt happy being on the bench and not getting on the pitch. But his real bug seems to be that he just isnt adapting or enjoying english football. He says he sorely misses Liege (the city and the team), thats probably one of the toughest things to address if a person is missing their former lives. He also says that he is finding it very difficult to come to terms with the amount of defending that is done in the english leagues and that only 3 or 4 teams really play attacking football and he wants to go forwards not backwards. I suppose part of that could be that he simply doesnt fit into a Hodgson style of team where there is a lot of emphasis on playing backwards/sidewards and not on gung ho-ing it. At this point I am pretty much resigned to losing Jovanovic in January, I dont think he will want to stay and will be off, at least we will make a few bob on him though.

 

[Tombstone]

I don't think many people are complaining about the results. Even the people that would've kept Rafa realise that our results, bar Sunderland, match the results Rafa had against those same teams last season. It's the performances and little league attitude of Hodgson that are worrying people.

This for me.

I accept losses, I accept our squad is generally only average. What I expect though is to at least go down fighting , playing in an attacking style and trying to take 3 points from every game. What I dont like seeing is players played out of position, defensive mentalities, sidewards or backwards passing in abundance and a contentment that 1pt was good.

 

[Adrianr]

This for me.

I accept losses, I accept our squad is generally only average. What I expect though is to at least go down fighting , playing in an attacking style and trying to take 3 points from every game. What I dont like seeing is players played out of position, defensive mentalities, sidewards or backwards passing in abundance and a contentment that 1pt was good.

I very much doubt Liverpool fans would be happy with attacking every game and getting beaten on the counter attack, bleeding points unnesecarily and getting relegated (I doubt that would happen either but you can surely see where he's coming from playing it safe). If he doesn't feel that he's got the talent to be an attacking squad he won't do it.

The first thing every Liverpool fan would be crying for if doing the above is to start playing more defensively and nick the odd 1-0 here and there.

 

[Tombstone]

I very much doubt Liverpool fans would be happy with attacking every game and getting beaten on the counter attack, bleeding points unnesecarily and getting relegated (I doubt that would happen either but you can surely see where he's coming from playing it safe). If he doesn't feel that he's got the talent to be an attacking squad he won't do it.

The first thing every Liverpool fan would be crying for if doing the above is to start playing more defensively and nick the odd 1-0 here and there.

Well obviously not "every" Liverpool fan as I would rather see an entertaining 90 mins of attacking football even if we lose, than 90 mins of turgid defensive play for a 1-0 win.