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Rtx 3080 lower quality capacitor Issue

Locky said:
The resale value of cards with SPcaps is going to be less than cards (which maybe have worst silicone) with MLCC caps on them. I can see it now in the MM - Which caps does this card have thanks? If SP ill pass thanks..
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we’ve all got to get cards first till then there all as valued as gold dust hehe. But your right the story took off like wild fire and now it’s the gospel truth and nvidia just nerfed the cards to cover up the issue that was subjective and unverified.

so sp-caps are bad and will never be used on any graphic card going forward as it will happen for the 4080 also if they have sp-caps
 
Locky said:
The resale value of cards with SPcaps is going to be less than cards (which maybe have worst silicone) with MLCC caps on them. I can see it now in the MM - Which caps does this card have thanks? If SP ill pass thanks..
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No disrespect ... but people have very short memories. Plus there is a fair amount of "churn" membership wise on the forum. Not everyone stays an Avid contributed for 15/20 years.

Doubt if this issue will even medium turn make much if any difference to second hand prices a couple of years down the line.

As an example.
I bought one of the very early 1070's (EVGA). And this had to have a BIOS update to tweak the MICRON memory timings, then another to sort a supposed VRM over heating issue, plus a physical mod you could do, with extra thermal pads that you could fit yourself (supplied by EVGA). And at the time if was a BIG thing on the internet sites and the forums. People were saying exactly the same thing that you've just said about the 3080. But 2 years down the line, had no issues selling it on the MM. No one even asked a single question.
PS. Should mention that the 1070 after all these tweaks turned out to be a decent card.
 
Locky said:
The resale value of cards with SPcaps is going to be less than cards (which maybe have worst silicone) with MLCC caps on them. I can see it now in the MM - Which caps does this card have thanks? If SP ill pass thanks..
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If the drivers have actually fixed the issues, and the cards have demonstrably worked well for a long time period of time, then I don't think it will be a major issue. We are viewing all of this as it's happening today, so it seems dramatic, but in the future it's quite possible all of this will be long forgotten.
 
The Old School Gamer said:
I doubt it they have done much more than adjust the curve for everyone on the new drivers.
(Maybe fixed some in-game bugs etc).
See update 5: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/g...ely-due-to-poscap-and-mlcc-configuration.html

People were still getting decent frame rates and consistently less frequency bounce by manually lowering the voltage.
And their cards were running cooler and drawing less power.

It's just a fine tune on a card per card bases really.
Seeing how low you can drop the voltage while staying rock stable and not hurting the performance.

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Thanks for the link.

Strange how there's so many people reporting higher clock speeds and TDP after the update. Could it be they were running unstable but not quite crashing? Resulting in clocks bouncing around and worse performance than if they had a slightly lower but stable clock.

SeeNoWeevil said:
Moving the whole voltage/clock curve down slightly doesn't necessarily mean you will end up at lower clocks. You might be getting further up the slope than before.
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That makes sense. Is that due to the lower voltage and not hitting the TDP limit or something? Some people are saying the driver also raised TDP by 10W.



Haven't watched it yet as it's a buildzoid 45 min special but looks interesting.

 
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Ill leave it here in this format also so people stop asking stupid questions.
 
I'm going to set up a shonky tech review YouTube channel with 5 subscribers to guarantee I get a 4080 in good time. Can't believe the quality of some of the channels that got 3000 series cards to review.
 
I'm so confused by all this.

I've got a Gigabyte Eagle 3080 OC on its way to me (some time between now and never, seemingly). Am I going to have stability issues if I just use the card within sensible limits? I'm not trying to build a powerhouse gaming rig here, just something that can run my driving and flight sims as nicely as possible.

Meaning, I'm not chasing fps here. That extra 2fps achieved by hitting a magical cooling/voltage profile isn't going to define my world. So whilst I've bought an OC card, this isn't because I want mega performance. I will not be further messing around with OC settings etc.

What I'm asking is: are the issues that people are reporting in relation to pushing the cards and systems to their limits? Or are they crapping out under normal loads?
 
Rymix said:
I'm so confused by all this.

I've got a Gigabyte Eagle 3080 OC on its way to me (some time between now and never, seemingly). Am I going to have stability issues if I just use the card within sensible limits? I'm not trying to build a powerhouse gaming rig here, just something that can run my driving and flight sims as nicely as possible.

Meaning, I'm not chasing fps here. That extra 2fps achieved by hitting a magical cooling/voltage profile isn't going to define my world. So whilst I've bought an OC card, this isn't because I want mega performance. I will not be further messing around with OC settings etc.

What I'm asking is: are the issues that people are reporting in relation to pushing the cards and systems to their limits? Or are they crapping out under normal loads?
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All partner cards, regardless of capacitor configuration, appear to be stable since the latest driver update.
 
Thanks. So, internet witch hunt or actual hardware problem? I dunno. I just want to plug my card in and for it just to work. Sounds like the driver improvements might get me closer to this dream :)
 
Rymix said:
I'm so confused by all this.

I've got a Gigabyte Eagle 3080 OC on its way to me (some time between now and never, seemingly). Am I going to have stability issues if I just use the card within sensible limits? I'm not trying to build a powerhouse gaming rig here, just something that can run my driving and flight sims as nicely as possible.

Meaning, I'm not chasing fps here. That extra 2fps achieved by hitting a magical cooling/voltage profile isn't going to define my world. So whilst I've bought an OC card, this isn't because I want mega performance. I will not be further messing around with OC settings etc.

What I'm asking is: are the issues that people are reporting in relation to pushing the cards and systems to their limits? Or are they crapping out under normal loads?
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well if you can read then answer to the question is 4 posts above Yours
 
https://www.igorslab.de/en/wonder-h...emoved-even-from-the-power-supplies-analysis/

Conclusion and summary
Let’s look at it this way: The somewhat too optimistic specifications of the power delivery via Boost and the Clock rate have mercilessly, though certainly not intended, revealed the not quite so optimal board layouts or the cheaper component selection. In addition, there was the unexpected and very annoying shutdown of power supply units that were actually sufficiently dimensioned, whose only fault was that they wanted to protect themselves and the connected hardware much too quickly.

The fact that the telemetry can now be influenced almost losslessly by means of a simple driver in such a way that all the consequences of the hasty load changes and the resulting peaks can be eliminated or at least very strongly mitigated in one go is pleasing, but at the same time it raises new questions as to why all of this wasn’t tested earlier. And as far as the question of MLCC vs. polymer caps is concerned: it is the appropriate mix of both that makes such a graphics card safer, at least for borderline areas.

It runs now with the new drivers as expected, also a fact.
 
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