-
Competitor rules
Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.
RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
- Thread starter Author_25
- Start date
- Status
Yeah it sounds like we'll be getting true next Gen games within the next 12-24 months and these will require large pools of vram, Nvme Gen 4 ssd and a modern cpu
Indeed, people buying 12GB vram cards now like the 4070, will be turning down to medium/low textures @1440p in 12 months modern games, either that or drop down to 1080p.....
2023 gaming choices LOL....all for the low low price £600.
I see it at £699 in the next 2-3 months.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 9 Nov 2009
- Posts
- 25,404
- Location
- Planet Earth
When Crysis came out Nvidia released the 8800GT which was almost the same speed as the 8800GTX at lower resolutions. The 8800GTX had an RRP of $599,and the 8800GT was $249,so had basically almost the same performance as the fastest card,at under half the price a year later.People didn't need to wait 4 years at mainsteam to get the improvements. This was also at the time the best ATI card was the HD3870 which was around 20% slower so Nvidia was under zero competitive pressure. Nvidia could have easily kept the older pricing tiers and forced people to pay more.
Fast forward to the modern day,now see what Nvidia is doing? Yet their uberfans think this is all fine. This mentality is going to effect PC gaming longer term as a cutting edge platform. Mainstream dGPUs are progressively getting worse and worse now. This is not what you want if you want to push cutting edge graphics forward. This is why the saw such huge jumps in graphics between 1996 to 2016.
PCMR has drunken the marketing koolaid so much, they can't even understand how we got to a PCMR in the first place.
The worst thing is the RX7900XT is overpriced too,and should have been $649 to $699 at launch IMHO. The RX6800XT was 90% of the Navi 21 die for $649 and the RX6900XT was $1000. The RX7900XT uses 88% of the Navi 31 die.
But the RTX4070 is so poor,that it makes an RX7900XT look OK at £750:
31% faster at qHD and 35% faster at 4K,whilst being cheaper than an RTX4070TI. Then you also get 2/3 more VRAM.
All of us are saying it needs a price cut,and the uberfans seem to not want it.
The uberfans are religiously defending this - a bit like some Apple fans defending Apple being stingy with RAM and storage on their products. Then boasting about Apple sales,etc as some badge of honour.
But even Apple fans have gotten enough now:
Apple sales in biggest fall since 2019
The decline came as people cut back in the face of higher living costs, said Apple's boss.
www.bbc.co.uk
So what does tell you about certain members of PCMR? Worse than Apple fans,the very people PCMR mocked so many times!
Last edited:
Or.. Just sell the FE for £399 to begin with a watch them fly off the shelves and continue selling as fast as they can make them. Hell, even at £499 they would have sold decently.
Still cracks me up they got Raven to hand over £600. My 3080 FE cost me less back in 2020
When Crysis came out Nvidia released the 8800GT which was almost the same speed as the 8800GTX at lower resolutions. The 8800GTX had an RRP of $599,and the 8800GT was $249,so had basically almost the same performance as the fastest card,at under half the price a year later.People didn't need to wait 4 years at mainsteam to get the improvements. This was also at the time the best ATI card was the HD3870 which was around 20% slower so Nvidia was under zero competitive pressure. Nvidia could have easily kept the older pricing tiers and forced people to pay more.
Fast forward to the modern day,now see what Nvidia is doing? Yet their uberfans think this is all fine. This mentality is going to effect PC gaming longer term as a cutting edge platform. Mainstream dGPUs are progressively getting worse and worse now. This is not what you want if you want to push cutting edge graphics forward. This is why the saw such huge jumps in graphics between 1996 to 2016.
PCMR has drunken the marketing koolaid so much, they can't even understand how we got to a PCMR in the first place.
The worst thing is the RX7900XT is overpriced too,and should have been $649 to $699 at launch IMHO. The RX6800XT was 90% of the Navi 21 die for $649 and the RX6900XT was $1000. The RX7900XT uses 88% of the Navi 31 die.
But the RTX4070 is so poor,that it makes an RX7900XT look OK at £750:
31% faster at qHD and 35% faster at 4K,whilst being cheaper than an RTX4070TI. Then you also get 2/3 more VRAM.
All of us are saying it needs a price cut,and the uberfans seem to not want it.
The uberfans are religiously defending this - a bit like some Apple fans defending Apple being stingy with RAM and storage on their products. Then boasting about Apple sales,etc as some badge of honour.
But even Apple fans have gotten enough now:
Apple sales in biggest fall since 2019
The decline came as people cut back in the face of higher living costs, said Apple's boss.www.bbc.co.uk
So what does tell you about certain members of PCMR? Worse than Apple fans,the very people PCMR mocked so many times!
But but but... AMD ruined ATI...
The HD 4870 was AMD's first after buying ATI out in 2006.
-----
Frankly let them... let them suffer for it and blame it on game developers or AMD, its popcorn reddit entertainment for the rest of us.
Last edited:
Way too much. AMD are just as bad as Nvidia. These should be £499. £599 at a push imo.
Associate
- Joined
- 27 Jan 2009
- Posts
- 1,173
- Location
- United Kingdom
Hopefully that means XTX at 899
Out of interest what price points would start to bring back value into GPU market Nvidia 4070 is at £550+, AMD 6950xt is £615 plus. 7900xt £750, what should they be at.When Crysis came out Nvidia released the 8800GT which was almost the same speed as the 8800GTX at lower resolutions. The 8800GTX had an RRP of $599,and the 8800GT was $249,so had basically almost the same performance as the fastest card,at under half the price a year later.People didn't need to wait 4 years at mainsteam to get the improvements. This was also at the time the best ATI card was the HD3870 which was around 20% slower so Nvidia was under zero competitive pressure. Nvidia could have easily kept the older pricing tiers and forced people to pay more.
Fast forward to the modern day,now see what Nvidia is doing? Yet their uberfans think this is all fine. This mentality is going to effect PC gaming longer term as a cutting edge platform. Mainstream dGPUs are progressively getting worse and worse now. This is not what you want if you want to push cutting edge graphics forward. This is why the saw such huge jumps in graphics between 1996 to 2016.
PCMR has drunken the marketing koolaid so much, they can't even understand how we got to a PCMR in the first place.
The worst thing is the RX7900XT is overpriced too,and should have been $649 to $699 at launch IMHO. The RX6800XT was 90% of the Navi 21 die for $649 and the RX6900XT was $1000. The RX7900XT uses 88% of the Navi 31 die.
But the RTX4070 is so poor,that it makes an RX7900XT look OK at £750:
31% faster at qHD and 35% faster at 4K,whilst being cheaper than an RTX4070TI. Then you also get 2/3 more VRAM.
All of us are saying it needs a price cut,and the uberfans seem to not want it.
The uberfans are religiously defending this - a bit like some Apple fans defending Apple being stingy with RAM and storage on their products. Then boasting about Apple sales,etc as some badge of honour.
But even Apple fans have gotten enough now:
Apple sales in biggest fall since 2019
The decline came as people cut back in the face of higher living costs, said Apple's boss.www.bbc.co.uk
So what does tell you about certain members of PCMR? Worse than Apple fans,the very people PCMR mocked so many times!
Have a vested interest due to limping along with a 1660 super. But balking at the pricing.
In my opinion, 4070 £499, 6950XT if you can get it to dip below £600 - some offers can do that, 7900XT I'd like to see close to £700.
I am not expecting it. I am saying what I think it should be priced at.
I mean if AMD want to ever sell enough GPU's before their market share drops even further..
What if AMD release 2 versions of the RX 7800, an XTX with 20GB VRAM, and, an XT with 16GB VRAM, both with 256bit Bus.
Given they know they cannot compete with Nvidia on feature set, but VRAM they do out do Nvidia.
Given they know they cannot compete with Nvidia on feature set, but VRAM they do out do Nvidia.
Last edited:
Fools and their money....Or.. Just sell the FE for £399 to begin with a watch them fly off the shelves and continue selling as fast as they can make them. Hell, even at £499 they would have sold decently.
Still cracks me up they got Raven to hand over £600. My 3080 FE cost me less back in 2020
They could do that, easily because the memory bus is MCM, its simply a case of taking memory chiplets off or adding them, each one is 64Bit, so 3 for 192Bit (12GB) 4 for 256Bit (16GB) 5 for 320Bit (20GB) that's the 7900XT and 6 for 384Bit (24GB) that's the 7900XTX.
The 7800Xt or XTX if AMD stick with this silly naming scheme, i hope not.... will have 4, so 256Bit 16GB, would there be a demand for a 20GB 7800XT? like a Tahiti LE type card? maybe.... they could do them in small volume to see if there is a demand for them.
Annoyingly nVidia has made it difficult to make properly special edition cards now - unlike the days of Gainward's Golden Sample GLH cards, etc. where they'd have faster and/or more memory than standard, cherry picked cores with sometimes different amounts of shaders unlocked, etc. or producing their own tier of cards between standard ones, etc. as well as uprated cooling or other features.
- Status