I think if someone wanted to buy a new GPU for 1440P gaming, and wanted to play at high textures for the next 4-5 years, 20Gb is the better choice over 16GB. I have no doubts 16Gb will allow 1440p gaming for 3-5 years, but perhaps turning down some settings...
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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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But but but... AMD ruined ATI...
The 4870 was AMD's first after buying ATI out in 2006.
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Frankly let them... let them suffer for it and blame it on game developers or AMD, its popcorn reddit entertainment for the rest of us.
Anyone who complains is not PCMR and should go get a console. A few have implied that while clutching their pearls!
I think it should have launched at least at $649 to match the RX6800XT launch pricing. But the reality is Nvidia is worse,because they barely have price reduced Ampere dGPUs.
AMD at least has priced reduced the RX6600/RX6650XT under £300 and the RX6700XT/RX6750XT for £300 to £400 What do you get from Nvidia - the RTX3050 under £300 and the RTX3060 competing with the RX6700XT/RX6750XT. In the first case it is a near 40% performance uplift,and in the latter upto 50% more.
This is what prices we should at the very minimum have seen at launch,if we look at the TPU qHD performance figures:
1.)RX7900XT at around £579.99 to £599. It would also make it 50% faster than the £580 RX6800. AMD has to offer more than Nvidia at the same price.
2.)RTX4070(the RTX4070TI we have now) at £579.99 to £599 which would make it around 44% faster than the RTX3070TI.
3.)RTX4060TI(the RTX4070 we have now) at £429.99 which would make it 27% faster than the RTX3070,and split the difference between the RTX3060TI and RTX3070 price.
4.)RTX4060 8GB at £329 at most,or if it is a 16GB card £369.99 at most. It looks like it will be RTX3060TI~RTX3070 level performance. That would mean at best 15% faster than an RTX3060TI. More if you compare it at the RTX3060 but that had it's price artificially inflated due to the pandemic.
All the Nvidia cards have a GPU die pushed up one tier in pricing and there are price increases. The AD106 is the analogue of the GA106. So that means the RRP has been pushed up from the low £300 price range to almost £600. The AD107 has been pushed up from sub £300 to over £300,etc.
As you can see my suggestions are quite conservative,but considering some are making it sound excessive it makes you wonder.
40% improvement per pricing tier should not be a huge deal. The GTX1070 over the GTX970 was 61%,the RTX2060 Super over the GTX1070 was 35% and the RTX3060TI over the RTX2060 Super was around 40% at qHD according to TPU.
At the mainstream and entry level tiers you are still looking at around 15% to 30% better price/performance. This is not massive.
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If they can push the 6950xt to £650 deals brand new, i'm sure they can do even better with the 7900xtx. Provided its over stocked that is.
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omg theres 2 thousand comments!
radeon-rx-6800-xt-red-dragon-16gb-gddr6-ray-tracing-graphics-card-7nm-rdna2-4608-stream at £570
or a 4070 which is the same price for 1440P gaming on >>PC<< exclusives. My Xbox will do most my gaming for me.
radeon-rx-6800-xt-red-dragon-16gb-gddr6-ray-tracing-graphics-card-7nm-rdna2-4608-stream at £570
or a 4070 which is the same price for 1440P gaming on >>PC<< exclusives. My Xbox will do most my gaming for me.
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Yeh hopefully.
I'm desperate for a new card but with the prices what they are I'm finding it really really easy to find and excuse not to buy one!
Yeah back in the day, AIB cards actually meant something but unfortunately most of the best picked cores are now reserved for Nvidia's FE cards. It doesn't help that AIB's usually have quite the mark up on them as well and the only thing they really got going for them is the better cooler/designs/noise levels. Overclockability and everything else is out the window.
Yeah its makes me laugh hard sometimes, the way people try defend AMD or Nvidia, defend their anti consumer decisions and blatent scam pricing and sketchy shuffling around of the tiers of GPU to line their pockets instead of giving us decent value. The reason I laugh so hard is you would think the way some people carry on around here, they are heavily invested in AMD/Nvidia shares, they care more about those companies well being and profit margins than the health of their own wallet, ******* insanity.....Anyone who complains is not PCMR and should go get a console. A few have implied that while clutching their pearls!
I think it should have launched at least at $649 to match the RX6800XT launch pricing. But the reality is Nvidia is worse,because they barely have price reduced Ampere dGPUs.
AMD at least has priced reduced the RX6600/RX6650XT under £300 and the RX6700XT/RX6750XT for £300 to £400 What do you get from Nvidia - the RTX3050 under £300 and the RTX3060 competing with the RX6700XT/RX6750XT. In the first case it is a near 40% performance uplift,and in the latter upto 50% more.
This is what prices we should at the very minimum have seen at launch,if we look at the TPU qHD performance figures:
1.)RX7900XT at around £579.99 to £599. It would also make it 50% faster than the £580 RX6800. AMD has to offer more than Nvidia at the same price.
2.)RTX4070(the RTX4070TI we have now) at £579.99 to £599 which would make it around 44% faster than the RTX3070TI.
3.)RTX4060TI(the RTX4070 we have now) at £429.99 which would make it 27% faster than the RTX3070,and split the difference between the RTX3060TI and RTX3070 price.
4.)RTX4060 8GB at £329 at most,or if it is a 16GB card £369.99 at most. It looks like it will be RTX3060TI~RTX3070 level performance. That would mean at best 15% faster than an RTX3060TI. More if you compare it at the RTX3060 but that had it's price artificially inflated due to the pandemic.
All the Nvidia cards have a GPU die pushed up one tier in pricing and there are price increases. The AD106 is the analogue of the GA106. So that means the RRP has been pushed up from the low £300 price range to almost £600. The AD107 has been pushed up from sub £300 to over £300,etc.
As you can see my suggestions are quite conservative,but considering some are making it sound excessive it makes you wonder.
40% improvement per pricing tier should not be a huge deal. The GTX1070 over the GTX970 was 61%,the RTX2060 Super over the GTX1070 was 35% and the RTX3060TI over the RTX2060 Super was around 40% at qHD according to TPU.
At the mainstream and entry level tiers you are still looking at around 15% to 30% better price/performance. This is not massive.
Learn to look after number one, cause those large corps ain't giving a 2 ***** when you kick the bucket, they aint attending your send off party or sending flowers to sit ontop your box when you laid to rest, so why the **** do you care about them doing so well?!?
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You are absolutely right. It just goes to show how bad it is for the industry when one company gains this much control.
It amazes me the way that NVIDIA are either so out of touch or just don't care what their user-base think of them.
Sadly the percentage of user base who are aware/cares is relatively small
there are many consumers who don't realise nVidia are taking them for a ride and only care if the price is within their means not what they are getting for it GPU wise
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I told you they have been sold a lifestyle...the PCMR lifestyle. Decades ago PCMR was far more critical,and what we saw with HUB and Gamersnexus was par for the course in terms of how the tech press criticised companies. When Intel,ATI or Nvidia tried any tricks,not only did the tech press call it out but enthusiasts did too. Marketing was often mocked too.
The last 10~15 years things have been slipping and getting far too much marketing orientated especially due to social media. The whole consumers serve the company spiel,instead of the companies serving the consumers spiel(and the consumers having no power over companies) is a pure marketing line of thought,because that was the marketing accounts used to say. Now people are willingly just parroting marketing lines. It shows you how much social media can have an effect.
When you have people defending all of this and participating willingly,why wouldn't companies find ways to take advantage of pliable customer base? Free market and all that spiel.
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AMD are no angels, for from it, but, they haven't 'yet' fallen in to the trap of planned obsolescence, which is just about the most egregious thing you can do to your user base. Its narcissistic.
Nvidia have, and it shouldn't sit right with any of us that anyone can get away with such things, let alone reap all the rewards for it at our expense while the other is struggling even to stay relevant, that is something we should all feel is an injustice, drawing attention to it does not make one an AMD fanboy, its also intended as a lesson to AMD that we know about it, we understand what it is and we dislike it intensely, at least we should.
Nvidia have, and it shouldn't sit right with any of us that anyone can get away with such things, let alone reap all the rewards for it at our expense while the other is struggling even to stay relevant, that is something we should all feel is an injustice, drawing attention to it does not make one an AMD fanboy, its also intended as a lesson to AMD that we know about it, we understand what it is and we dislike it intensely, at least we should.
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Yep. Would have got a lot of people excited about AMD had they launched at that price point. But oh well. I guess they are selling enough at the current price point so no need
For me AMD really need to up their game when it comes to FSR and work on pricing. Get that right by next gen and I will come back. I would not mind as much if they are still a bit behind on RT if they can do what they did last gen and match the 4090 RT performance this time.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 drops 9% below MSRP in Poland just a week after launch - VideoCardz.com
And so it begins A Polish retailer lowers the price of recently launched NVIDIA GPU by 9%. NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 4070 launched in Poland at 3199 PLN, which is the price of the Founders Edition and cheapest models with dual-fan cooling solutions and 8-pin power connectors, or what we are used to...
videocardz.com
Sales going well everywhere.
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7900XT @£600, 4070 @£450 and 6950X £500
Personally I don't think the ~£580 price point in itself as necessarily bad for a x70 card in this day and age, but what you get for the money is terrible, I think I'd hard pass at what is realistically x60 class performance at 3070 prices even, though the 12GB VRAM would be a bit more reasonable at that price.
Personally I'm looking at more the 4080 performance/VRAM amount point for my next upgrade but blow spending more than £800 max for that - I'd rather just buy a 4090.
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That is pretty much where I am at, I understand the 4080 is also cut down a lot and not a true 80 class card, not with the node jump we did. But give me a 4080 tier performance card with 16gb ram for £750-800 and I'll bite. Having said that, if you happy to go AMD, the 7900XT is £750 and overclocks beyond a 4080 and has 20gb ram....
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