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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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Jono8 said:
It was £650.

In hindsight yes. But at the time, most thought it was still too high for the standard xx80 card.

It was also amazing at mining so it went for hilariously stupid prices, as you would expect a literal money printer to do.
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At least for once they used a larger die,like they did in the days of the GTX780. It also meant we finally went past 8GB of VRAM. Now Nvidia are selling a GA106 replacement for that sort of money! :cry:
 
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Joxeon said:
Moving from a $500 GTX480 from 2010 to a $600 GTX1080 in 2016 so 6 years got you 5x the VRAM and 300% more performance.

The same upgrade from a GTX1080 > RTX4070 after 7 years both costing $600 gets you 1.5x more VRAM and 130% performance so this card will not last anywhere near as long.
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Exactly. Nvidia made two performance stagnation moves since then - Turing V1 and Ada Lovelace.
 
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Joxeon said:
Moving from a $500 GTX480 from 2010 to a $600 GTX1080 in 2016 so 6 years got you 5x the VRAM and 300% more performance.

The same upgrade from a GTX1080 > RTX4070 after 7 years both costing $600 gets you 1.5x more VRAM and 130% performance so this card will not last anywhere near as long.
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Exactly. Nvidia made two performance stagnation moves since then - Turing V1 and Ada Lovelace.
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Sad times but cant make it clearer to punters than this.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You forget the FOMO of most PCMR. But electronics sales are collapsing to the amount that even Apple is affected. The reality is that the market is entirely down to weak willed PCMR who validate every con these companies pull. Then start shooting the messenger for pointing out it happening. It's like a religion now. It's become a mockery of what PCMR used to stand for when it started decades ago. It's why we have PCMR validating the pay to win and predatory monetisation of so many games. Basically I think some of us should feel lucky to have lived through the true golden age of PCMR.
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The problem was nasty back in the day when people bought expensive cards with "I do what I want with my money" mentality. If you're stuck on older cards now, with poor performance, there is nothing much you can do. Karma will also show its nasty face if now you've priced yourself out due to your previous consumer behaviour. Inserts "congrats, you've played yourself" meme here.

One thing I'll add that seems funny to me is how people go with "take the 6800xt beacuse vram", altought is the same or worse in other aspects, plus it reinforce the same nasty situation from Nvidia : selling old cards near/at MSRP level from a couple of years back. Not to mention that most likely their driver focus will be on newer cards, with a newer architecture - so improvements won't necessarily feel in older gen. Neither options are good.

Anyway, most likely for next gen we'll see some lower prices, still much higher than they need to be, but apologist behaviors will be like: inflation, need to make billions or else the company goes down and a number of other PR excuses for their favourite brand or a bit of Stockholm syndrome in action. Oh, yes, let's not forget "consoles are the solution" part. :))
 
Calin Banc said:
The problem was nasty back in the day when people bought expensive cards with "I do what I want with my money" mentality. If you're stuck on older cards now, with poor performance, there is nothing much you can do. Karma will also show its nasty face if now you've priced yourself out due to your previous consumer behaviour. Inserts "congrats, you've played yourself" meme here.

One thing I'll add that seems funny to me is how people go with "take the 6800xt beacuse vram", altought is the same or worse in other aspects, plus it reinforce the same nasty situation from Nvidia : selling old cards near/at MSRP level from a couple of years back. Not to mention that most likely their driver focus will be on newer cards, with a newer architecture - so improvements won't necessarily feel in older gen. Neither options are good.

Anyway, most likely for next gen we'll see some lower prices, still much higher than they need to be, but apologist behaviors will be like: inflation, need to make billions or else the company goes down and a number of other PR excuses for their favourite brand or a bit of Stockholm syndrome in action. Oh, yes, let's not forget "consoles are the solution" part. :))
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But the big problem is Nvidia's high prices means the smallish reductions AMD is doing is enough. A useless RTX3050 sells for more than an RX6600 or even in some cases an RX6600XT. The RTX3050 is not even realistically any better at RT(probably worse). The RX6700XT is being priced at RTX3060 levels. There are barely any price reductions on RTX3000 cards,especially under £500.The 4N 5NM laptop RTX4060 is being matched by a cut down 6NM RX7600 series dGPU(!). The RX7600XT dGPU is basically a slightly die shrunk RX6600XT dGPU with some improvements.

Consoles might be the solution in the end sadly if next generation is more of the same. The RTX3060TI was 40% faster than an RTX2060 Super for similar money.The RTX4070 is 40% faster than an RTX3060TI for 60% more money. So a 40% improvement on that could be another 60% or thereabouts increase in price. So £950 for a dGPU twice the speed of the RTX3060TI(RTX4080 level performance). Then we can hear how it saves £300 over over an RTX4080 and consumes 20% less power! :rolleyes:

In my case,for the older PC games I like and Indie titles a laptop will be enough. A console every few years avoids having to bother to spend so much on upgrading the gaming PC all the time,only to get a POS "mainstream" dGPU which sucks Donkey Balls.

The only way is for people not to buy. If enough buy this will continue.
 
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Calin Banc said:
What would be the point of Super cards if they still have old inventory like I keep reading? Making current cards more appealing won't help the old ones.
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I'd think most of the old ones are gone now at least down to the 3070.

If sales are poor now imagine when we get to within a year of new gen release when most people decide to wait anyway. Nvidia will need a large carrot to convince buyers not to wait and they have plenty of room to manoeuvre against the poor performing offerings so far.
 
Jono8 said:
Considering the 4070 is in stock literally everywhere still for RRP (multiple models), it is difficult to see how these prices are that sustainable.
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Confused. Stuff is usually in stock.

You make the same argument about CPUs, monitors, TVs or consoles?

Seems like people think unless crypto miners are buying up all stock, the price must be too high.
 
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They've still sold a fair few of them tbh. As Gibbo said in the other thread, the supply was the highest it's been for any GPU launch in years.
 
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I can live with a small % of people fomo in or have to upgrade from an older gen. If anything these people that buy now wont be after the refresh stock or the 50 series some time later so it should spread out the stampede so stock is better each time.
 
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