FSR Performance and medium preset, 67 fps. Kinda makes nvidia cards seem insane value for money, doesnt it?Prices of the cards can vary between stores, countries, etc. I've seen 6700xt series priced similar to 4070, so it can go either way. If a buy must be made, then yes, it falls on the end user to search for reviews and make his own choice based on those and his needs.
Indeed, nvidia has more pull when it comes to convincing customers to buy their products, but when you look at "maximum ray tracing" video that AMD puts out as promotional material and see that they expect to trick customers in thinking their offering the maximum (premium, lol), experience... what can you say? Cyberpunk with medium preset, but "maximum ray tracing experience
Redfall launches with just a 30fps mode on consoles, plus other issues with games, they're not magic, just different side of a coin. Like with a graphics card, it may work for you or it may not.
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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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Price rises are inevitable but when the rises outstrip the performance gains then this is unacceptable and consumers must take a stand.Spending more to get more for an overall build has always been the case as far as I can remember, the difference is that GPU prices have steadily ramped up. The rest of the system parts have increased too, but not as much as GPUs.
The first ever PC I built around 2001 was built with £1000 - Athlon 700, 512MB DDR RAM, GF2 MX 32MB, some Maxtor HDD, 30GB I think?, Soundblaster, 17" CRT and some other components. £1000 back in 2001 is £1700 in today's money. That was the price at built time.
Having checked, my current PC's parts in retail value come to around £6300
This is the world we chose to live in as PC enthusiasts lol.
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Some went up because of greed, not circumstances.
But talking about phones, just bought the new Xiaomi note pro 12 with 256gb and 8gb ram for around €360 (a discount of €40 was already given).
Price of nvme and ssd drives went down. Even for 5800x3d was a serious discount.
Tesla is slashing for the 2md time the prices...
Yes, there is room to fall.
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Greedflation.
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Because PCMR thinks it's a sellers market and people need to get it into their head it really is a buyers market. They are still panic buying like it was two years ago. Turing got refreshed because sales were not hot. Same lot on here also acted like people had zero impact on affecting pricing. Even looking at the investment websites they talk about the inventory buildup doubling in a year. 46% reduction in gaming revenue last quarter. Revenue, and sales are down. AMD,Intel, Samsung,Micron, etc also are affected. Months of poor Zen4 sales lead to price reductions and the X3D range being pushed out quicker. But people here defended Zen4 pricing at the start. They do it with AMD too. Seems the FOMO defence league have a leather jacket over their head so are oblivious!
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lol, how much are you being paid?....
true, it will most likely happen again with nvidia's next gen offerings in the future. Which is why I don't consider them at all. There are alternatives to the 4070 and 4070 ti for cheaper, they are called a brand new 6800XT or 6950XT with a proven track record. Otherwise you might as well just go "!"#! it" and bleed for a 4080/4090.
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Maybe he got a tax windfall!
The Turing Super Range were generally cheaper for similar performance to their non-Super counterparts:
1.)RTX2070 $499/$599 superceded by RTX2060 Super $400
2.)RTX2080 $699/$799 superceded by RTX2070 Super $500
Basically the people who rushed out to get the RTX2070,got $100~$200 RTX2060 Super,which was only slightly slower. The $699~$799 RTX2080 was replaced by the slightly slower $500 RTX2070 Super which was upto 40% cheaper. Both the RTX2060 and RTX2070 saw reductions in street prices.Looking at what Nvidia has out now,its quite clear they have room to change things. The RTX4080 is the only SKU made from the AD103,and the RTX4090 from the AD102.There is room for the following SKUs,if sales are below predictions:
1.)RTX4080 Super/RTX4080TI - cut down AD102 priced close to the RTX4080
2.)RTX4070 Super - cut down AD103 priced close to the RTX4070TI(16GB VRAM). Replaces RTX4080.
3.)RTX4060 Super - cut down AD104. Essentially replaces the RTX4070.
The Turing Super range was only 3 SKUs too.
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I am going to wait to see what the 7800XT I like before deciding, hoping it sits between the 4070 and 4070 Ti at around £650.
Super cards, if released for RTX 4000, may be the cards to buy as you suggest, but given Nvidia's current track record I am not convinced.Maybe he got a tax windfall!
The Turing Super Range were generally cheaper for similar performance to their non-Super counterparts:
1.)RTX2070 $499/$599 superceded by RTX2060 Super $400
2.)RTX2080 $699/$799 superceded by RTX2070 Super $500
Basically the people who rushed out to get the RTX2070,got $100~$200 RTX2060 Super,which was only slightly slower. The $699~$799 RTX2080 was replaced by the slightly slower $500 RTX2070 Super which was upto 40% cheaper. Both the RTX2060 and RTX2070 saw reductions in street prices.Looking at what Nvidia has out now,its quite clear they have room to change things. The RTX4080 is the only SKU made from the AD103,and the RTX4090 from the AD102.There is room for the following SKUs,if sales are below predictions:
1.)RTX4080 Super/RTX4080TI - cut down AD102 priced close to the RTX4080
2.)RTX4070 Super - cut down AD103 priced close to the RTX4070TI(16GB VRAM). Replaces RTX4080.
3.)RTX4060 Super - cut down AD104. Essentially replaces the RTX4070.
The Turing Super range was only 3 SKUs too.
More likely slightly better performance at a higher price but we can hope.
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Yep. Would say it likely something like this will happen but will it be too close to the 50 series and people will just wait it out..
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They did do it with Turing,and I thought it might have been the release of Navi MK1. But the RX5700XT only really can account for the RTX2060 Super. It can't account for the RTX2070 Super. OFC,being Nvidia they will hold for as long as they can at current pricing! However as summer is here,it's generally a period where people buy less hardware globally,and tend to spend more time outdoors. I think AMD is also doing a bit of an Nvidia here - they are trying to get rid of their older generation first.
It depends. If the RTX5000 series is a year or so away people might get one(if it happens).
It will be,but if sales are good enough at the current pricing structure they might not bother. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out,especially after the apparent Nvidia "pricing support" for the RTX4070 ends.
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Time for AMD to make a sizeable move. Not holding my breath though!
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Can't see that happening, unlike Nvidia they can pivot their fab allocations to things other than GPUs and make profits on those instead. Basically while they have other revenue streams to tap into they don't have to be majorly worried if one of them isn't turning much of a profit.
Especially as much of there GPU production is sold to Sony.
They can afford to loose PC gamers but not Sony and the PS5.
You think AMD would at least like to have a go considering they would only need a card as fast as last gen for $50 cheaper to match what nvidia has put out.
While they have failed to get near nvidia at the high end you would expect a 20% performance increase for the same price at the mid range even in a bad year.
While they have failed to get near nvidia at the high end you would expect a 20% performance increase for the same price at the mid range even in a bad year.
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It appears Navi33 is out already. What is missing is Navi 32. It could be:
1.)Too much stock of Navi 21/Navi 22 so AMD is trying to clear these
2.)RDNA3.0 chiplet dGPUs might have a bug,so Navi 32 is getting a fix?
Even GPU designs for embedded hardware, etc. tend to branch off from desktop designs and a lot of development even for console games is done on PC - if AMD fades from the desktop GPU space they will probably lose the console market in the longer run to whatever is most attractive in the desktop space which as things are going will be nVidia.
I don't think we'll ever see fully ground up console designs completely separate to what is happening in the desktop hardware space.
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